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openUrban Hellscape description edit concern
On the description for the Urban Hellscape trope, Tropers.Shadowgazer removed a link to Lower-Class Lout.
Their reason was: "Unfortunately there is too much truth in the Lower Class Lout trope to be dismissed as just a lie used for the persecution of innocents."
The problem with this is that within the context of the crack epidemic (which was the IRL impetus for the Urban Hellscape trope), it was used as an excuse. This isn't even being political: it was the entire point of the trope.
The point of Urban Hellscape was to portray lowlife criminals as savage animals that needed to be put down by violent police or vigilantes. Even the description of Lower-Class Lout itself states: "While these stereotypes are Truth in Television to some degree, it's debatable whether the stereotype comes from Real Life, or said real-life examples are imitating the stereotype." This makes it even more weird that they would use Truth in Television as a justification for removing mention of the trope in the UH description. Lower-Class Lout is exactly the proper trope to use in the description within that context.
At the very least, that aspect in the description of the trope just feels extremely disingenuous, IMO, but I've invited Shadowgazer here to give their perspective.
Edited by NubianSatyressresolved Rayfox Triva/Fridge; a page blanked out, another left vandalized
So I've noticed the Fridge and Trivia section of the RayFox page are pretty much bare, and after having a talk with a mod about how to approach the subject, I wanna do all I can to avoid an edit war here given that me going back to revert it would get me in trouble with the admin.
While YMMV was repaired, right now as we speak the fridge section is completely blanked out after what happened about almost a week and a half ago, and what I had in trivia was arbitrarily removed with little justification on the user's part.
I wish to gain a consensus to have some of what I had originally written put back up, and if a majority of peeps thinks it belongs back up, I'll leave it up to one of you to put it back up while also asking that you keep what Rocksmasher had entered in trivia. Neither of these two pages have locks on them so they can be edited.
Make sure to link this discussion when making the changes should people say yes to putting these parts back up!
Basically, here's what I had written up there, and what I'd like to have put back up.
For Trivia:
- Word of God: The author, through his Twitch and Discord, has made multiple statements about his comic; some of them spoilers
- Christopher stated on his Twitch while drawing that at some point in his comic, Ray will end up meeting his younger brother.
- When it came to the issue of Ray being arrested for his vigilantism and being persecuted by Morales, he has gone against the latter's critics amongst his fanbase and stated that Morales was in the right for doing so, with his reason being that his comic is "grounded in reality" because the Rayfox universe has laws and that anyone would have been arrested for doing what Ray did in real life.
The laconic definition of "word of god" is: "The creator personally sets the record straight" The way I saw it when I wrote that? It seemed like that's what he was doing.
For Fridge:
Fridge Horror
- Given how the people of Meva City are with Ray with his vigilantism and how they react to incidents regarding them, the idea that this is how any sort of incidents are handled can be terrifying given that no one thinks to investigate or look for witnesses for a recount of the situation, and instead just decries their actions.
openDuplicated page found at random...
Yeah, what it says.
The Legend of Tarzan and The Legend Of Tarzan 2016 appears to be the same page cloned from each other? Except the latter doesn't seem to be indexed
Edited by RobertTYLopenHow to remove an entry Film
I moved an entry from one category to another, but I don't know how to remove the original post.
How do I do this?
Thanks.
openDoes Dies Differently In Adaptation Apply to Real Life People in Fictional Media?
I've been wondering if Dies Differently in Adaptation applies to real world people in fictional media or not? After all, a work of Historical Fiction or Alternate History is derivative of real world history, so it technically counts as an adaptation, right?
Edited by Chrononaut70open Magical Native American
Magical Native American has some examples from indigenous peoples from other continents. Should there perhaps be something like "Magical Native" as a redirect that they can link to?
openEdit War Film
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openReporting a ban evader
As mentioned in this ATT, I have been monitoring Livingston The Fish for the past few days, and I believe there is evidence that this is yet another sock of johnnyfog/taylorswiftscat/paxbisonica:
- Both tropers share the same interests and edit the exact same pages, including Square Enix games (Final Fantasy, Secret of Evermore) and sci-fi series (Star Trek: Enterprise).
- Extensive edits in Quotes pages, generally involving the rearrangement of examples or creation of folders. Some of these pages were also frequently edited by his previous socks: here, here, here and here.
- Serial tweaking on Final Fantasy X2 pages, while also showing some sort of fascination for Game-Breaker examples.
- Describing a feud in Sean Young's page, which is similar to Taylorswiftscat's other edits on the page.
- Added two additional examples about "Cat Nip" to Final Fantasy. A quick search through the page's history shows that paxbisonica and burgerants both repeatedly added examples detailing said item.
openSpoiler cutoff point? Videogame
After what point in a videogame is is considered appropriate to start tagging spoilers?
openSeries and Recap Pages Live Action TV
Are there any guideliness for which tropes go to the Series main page, and which to the Recap pages? Are Recap pages considered to be subpages?
openWould Like To Report User
Tropers/Katsuri has been deleting things from the Moriarty the Patriot page without reason. These are all things that happened in the manga.
They have also tried adding a Flame Bait trope to the main page twice now. I've messaged them about it, but they simply redid their edits.
Update: An edit war has started because they refuse to stop deleting tropes that happened in canon.
Edited by EiryuopenReport user Anime
I would like to report user Eiryu for adding tropes that are not factual to the series/manganime Moriarty the Patriot (which is a series full of inconsistency, and therefore, full of contradictions). Edit: they are also the one who threatened to start an edit war as soon as I started changing things in the page.
Edited by KatsuriopenDoes this trope already exist?
Tropers, is there a page for when someone is hired to do something (usually a criminal type or a mercenary), and at some point the person hired mentions that they will do something else for the person hiring them, but at no extra charge? On the house, in other words?
Not the same thing as A Round of Drinks for the House.
The "something extra" they will do is probably something they'd have to do anyway and it's said sarcastically, or if the merc or criminal just wants to do it For the Evulz or because it's become personal.
Two examples I'm thinking of are in Raising Arizona, the outlaw biker tells the father that for enough money, he'll bring his son back from the people who kidnapped him. Then he adds "And the ones who took him? I'll kick their butts. No extra charge."
In Dirty Harry, Scorpio hires a thug to beat the shit out of him, so that he can say Callahan did it. A thorough beating ensues. Finally, the thug stops and asks Scorpio if he wants "all of it", as he gave the thug a large amount of money. Scorpio then proceeds to insult pretty much everything about the man, especially his race (he's black). The beating recommences, with the thug commenting that last few punches and kicks are on the house.
I checked Trope Finder but didn't find anything, but that doesn't mean it's not out there, or covered by another trope.
Edited by Traveler123openAnalysis tab
Friendly question: Are Analysis tabs a free launch, or do they need to go through TLP? I'm planning in the near future to write a tab for a trope, focusing on how it influenced fiction, how it evolved and what subtropes it led to, and the real life inspirations for it.
I have read the Analysis page and I'm already well-educated on what they're for and what not, but it says nothing on the permits (or lack thereof) for their creation.
Thanks in advance!
openNo Title
Never been quite clear on what precisely In-Universe Examples Only actually forbids; should this Mondegreen wick on Memes.Final Fantasy XIV have been restored or not?
Edited by wingedcatgirlopenVideos becoming grainy
Has anyone else had parts of a video example become grainy after upload?
openNo Title
Godscar Chasm deleted a lot of the examples on Nick Fury, so now it just looks like a list of tropes with no context.
openWild Mass Guessing Vs. Epileptic Trees
I noticed Epileptic Trees specifically does not allow examples, and tells the Tropers to write their theories on Wild Mass Guessing. However, I did a quick wick check on Epileptic Trees, and I noticed there are countless works that have Epileptic Trees examples in their YMMV page, while simultaneously having a WMG page. So... What's going on?
Edited by LermisopenAbout CanonCharacterAllAlong
The nature of the trope practically begs for all spoilers to be unmarked. Because the state the page is in now, toggling the "Show Spoilers" would result in a white blank sea.
I want to create individual episode recap pages for https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/TransformersCybertron, and I have no idea how to do it. Should I just let someone with a lot more experience do it and contribute from there, or should we try to recreate the old page generator https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere?