Needs Help: Plumbers Crack get usage counts
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1 ShanghaiSlave19th Apr 2014 01:50:44 AM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Seriously, look at it. "a plumber's buttcrack is exposed while hunching"... Isn't this People Sit on Chairs? unless you already know about this trope, you wouldn't even be able to spot it even if you see it.

What i mean to say is, if you didn't know about it in the first place, you'd call it either Fanservice or Fan Disservice depending on how it is used. On it's own, it's just that, your buttcrack is showing.

also, there are fourteen wicks, with eleven inbounds. Not a tear would be shed if it's cut eh?

edited 20th Apr '14 9:23:42 AM by ShanghaiSlave

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2 Fighteer30th Apr 2014 12:52:23 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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For what it's worth, I agree that showing butt-crack is a bit narrow to form a trope all by itself, rather existing as a sort of stock Fan Disservice.
3 SeptimusHeap30th Apr 2014 12:57:15 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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This is a comedy trope in all appearances I've seen it. Not a fanservice or -disservice trope.
4 Larkmarn30th Apr 2014 01:20:19 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, it's a stock gag/showing that someone is working class.

I mean, there's an example of a giant robot who has Plumber's Crack. You can't say that it's People Sit on Chairs, there are certain connotations to it and it's always done on purpose in shows. In real life? It's absolutely Chairs-y, it happens to anyone all the time. But on TV? It's always done to emphasize someone's crude behavior.
5 AnotherDuck30th Apr 2014 05:15:41 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Basically says, "this guy doesn't care much about his appearance."
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6 Lakija30th Apr 2014 07:50:20 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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It's all but expected for any plumber bent under a sink to have a plumber's crack. I bet it would be quite a shock to see a plumb without one. Ha ha! I think it's trope worthy, but may need to be more concise or clear perhaps.

I don't think butt cracks are really played for fan service. Nah.

edited 30th Apr '14 7:51:11 PM by Lakija

It is what it is.
7 PhoenixKnight630th Apr 2014 09:43:50 PM from An Island Somewhere in the Sea of Rakash , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Usually not in this case at least. But yeah I agree this is definitely a comedy trope.
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8 ShanghaiSlave30th Apr 2014 10:33:08 PM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Y'all say "comedy trope", but let's see what it's used for.

In the page (including ZCE)

Live-Action TV

Video Games

Web Original
  • this parody — ZCE

Western Animation

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9 ShanghaiSlave30th Apr 2014 10:40:44 PM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
3 Septimus Heap — yeah, but it's not the gag itself, but props to other ones.

4 Larkmarn — usage doesn't reflect that. it's all over.

5 Another Duck — the trope is not used for characterization at all.
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I think the trope description suffers from Example as a Thesis. This isn't "when a plumber bends over, his pants fall down". This is "menial labourers (construction workers, plumbers etc.) wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack". Extra points if the (Always Male) worker is big/fat and otherwise slovenly in appearance.

And this is definitely a trope. Heck, where I live, "builder's bum" is the commonly used expression for when someone's pants are showing too much.
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11 ShanghaiSlave1st May 2014 02:42:49 AM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
[up] "Heck, where I live, "builder's bum" is the commonly used expression for when someone's pants are showing too much."

Commonly used expression? So are Whaletail and Cameltoe. Yet these aren't tropes.

"menial labourers (construction workers, plumbers etc.) wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack"

The way you worded it makes it perfectly fit People Sit on Chairs: people (menial labourers) sit on chairs (wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack).
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12 theAdeptRogue1st May 2014 03:10:44 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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This is "menial labourers (construction workers, plumbers etc.) wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack". Extra points if the (Always Male) worker is big/fat and otherwise slovenly in appearance.

Emphasis mine. That part may have storytelling elements, as a very specific form of Fan Disservice, I guess.

This is a comedy trope in all appearances I've seen it. Not a fanservice or -disservice trope.

Isn't Fan Disservice frequently Played for Laughs, though?

edited 1st May '14 3:16:33 AM by theAdeptRogue

Commonly used expression? So are Whaletail and Cameltoe. Yet these aren't tropes.

But it is a commonly used expression because it is a stereotype.

The way you worded it makes it perfectly fit People Sit on Chairs: people (menial labourers) sit on chairs (wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack).

But that's the thing: There is no pressing reason why menial laborers_have_ to have their buts showing. Properly fitting clothes worn carefully would prevent that, even when bending down. The stereotype is that menial laborers are always slovenly about their appearance, which leads to this being something of a stock gag.

edited 1st May '14 4:26:24 AM by Catbert

Yeah, I can't see this as People Sit on Chairs. It's not like people do it all the time.
15 SeptimusHeap1st May 2014 04:37:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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It's not like people do it all the time.

People Sit on Chairs is not about stuff that people do all the time. Plenty of stuff that never happens can be PSOC, and much stuff that happens everywhere is not PSOC.
What I meant was that when Plumber's Crack happens, it's notable.
17 ShanghaiSlave1st May 2014 05:25:06 AM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
12 the Adept Rogue & 13 Catbert

So both your point is that: This is a trope about the stereotype that Menial Laborers are slovenly?

then the trope here is A Dirty Job For A Dirty Man = Slovenly men work at dirty jobs like plumbing.

NOT

"Workers show their buttcrack when bending down".

Also Catbert, as i've shown in the wick check this "trope" is not used as "a gag where his buttcrack is showing". it is used as "buttcrack showing is part of other gags".
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18 AnotherDuck1st May 2014 05:59:56 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
5 Another Duck — the trope is not used for characterization at all.
So it's used by anyone regardless of characterisation?
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19 Willbyr1st May 2014 06:20:31 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Nevermind, misread.

edited 1st May '14 6:20:47 AM by Willbyr

20 ShanghaiSlave1st May 2014 06:28:11 AM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
[up][up] As it is now, yes.
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21 Madrugada1st May 2014 06:43:38 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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That's a problem with the examples. Tossing out a trope because it is misused is an absolutely last-ditch move. You are simply repeating "it's misused." as though that makes it not a trope. You aren't making any counter-case to the people who are explaining how it is used in a way that makes it a trope.
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22 ShanghaiSlave1st May 2014 07:30:32 AM from YKTTW , Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
[up] My counter-case is that as it is written now, it is completely People Sit on Chairs.

"Plumber's show their crack when working", that's it, no more no less. "Played Fol Laughs" and "Fan Disservice" are just after-thoughts, and even then if it is used as such, it is used as a prop to other gags rather than being the main gag itself.

as it is used, it is not used in the manner that makes it the trope(s) the people here want it to be, which are the following:
  • "it's a stock gag/showing that someone is working class." — Sleazy Worker Antics, not "plumber showing his buttcrack".
  • "this guy doesn't care much about his appearance." — Slobby Menial Worker, not "plumber's crack"
  • "menial labourers wear trousers that aren't pulled up properly and show their buttcrack" Dirty Job Uniform Code, not "pants that shows buttcrack"

Aside from those points. the examples are all over the place, and the majority are useless for analysis because of Zero-Context Example, mostly because it is misused both as Exactly What It Says on the Tin plus the name just begs for misuse like the Mario example, who is listed as an aversion because of his overalls.
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23 Fighteer1st May 2014 08:08:06 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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Narrative significance doesn't necessarily mean "important to the story". A sight gag that's designed to evoke a laugh is as much a trope as a major plot twist.

We say that it's played for Fan Disservice because it's almost always used to gross out either the audience or the other characters. It's also a characterization trope in that it denotes a working-class, often overweight individual who cares little about his appearance.

For the examples to be relevant, they must demonstrate these things. It can be as simple as, "Joe calls a plumber to fix his sink. We are treated to a shot of the man's sunny side, while Joe is visibly revolted. Cue Laugh Track."

edited 1st May '14 8:11:55 AM by Fighteer

They don't always have to be working class either. Uncle Phil on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air tried to do some plumbing once, and yep, we got a view of his butt crack. Will even lampshades this trope by saying "You sure have the pants for it".
25 Fighteer1st May 2014 08:31:36 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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That too. So, another component is that when any character decides to do household maintenance, especially plumbing, they will fall victim to this trope for laughs.

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