Misused: The Same But More get usage counts

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1 SeptimusHeap5th Jun 2012 09:18:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
So, The Same but More is a Predefined Message about not splitting tropes between Trope X and Trope Xtreme. But it has significant wicks from work pages, and from a check of the upper 50 wicks it seems to be largely used literally rather than as the guideline.

My thought here was to move the page to Administrivia.The Same But More and disambiguate or redirect the current one to something else.

Obligatory wick check

Literal misuse

Other misuse

Correct

Uncounted

Unclear

2 SeptimusHeap7th Jun 2012 10:17:00 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Bumping. Any ideas here?
I guess that does look like a problem, doesn't it?

I don't think there's much we can do outside of deleting those bad ones, though. Maybe move it to Administrivia, I guess.

edited 7th Jun '12 2:37:10 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
4 SeptimusHeap10th Jun 2012 12:56:37 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
The other thing I thought of was merging The Same but More and The Same but More Specific under a name like Insuffienctly Distinct Trope (as these stock phrases aren't at all that clear - are they tropes, administrative guidelines, Stock Phrases or even a synonym for Sub-Trope?).
5 Xtifr12th Jun 2012 05:55:24 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I suggest killing the bad wicks. That alone might be enough to make the problem go away (as it will remove the monkey-see-monkey-do temptation). If they start reappearing, then it might be time for more drastic action.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
^^ We already have Ridiculously Similar Trope. The Same but More and The Same but More Specific are variants of that.
7 Spark95th Jul 2012 07:22:48 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think this should be in administrativia; it's a meta-page, not a trope. That people are potholing to it is a problem.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
8 SeptimusHeap24th Jul 2012 09:45:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Bumping because there is a crowner here
So, this would force people to type Admnistrivia/ before linking to these predefined messages. Sounds brilliant. Way too many people just throw those into YKTTW's and threads without actually bothering to read or understand them. At least this'll make them do some extra typing.
Um, no, we're not cutting any redirects here anytime soon.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
11 SeptimusHeap31st Jul 2012 02:12:53 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Votes bump.
12 ccoa13th Aug 2012 07:06:00 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner: Move to administrivia and clean the wicks.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Did I miss the part where we voted to cut the redirects? What was that about?

edited 24th Nov '12 1:00:36 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
14 SeptimusHeap24th Nov 2012 01:09:42 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That part was decided by someone because all their wicks were misuse.
That's because the Related function only counts wicks in the wiki. Predefined Messages are meant for discussion; any links on the wiki are likely to be incorrect. It was being used correctly in discussions.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
Wiki pages dealing with wikicentric topics are free to link to each other as long as it's relevant to the context it's mentioned in. Beyond that, yes, they shuldn't be linked as if they were tropes.

edited 24th Nov '12 3:52:22 PM by Stratadrake

17 SeptimusHeap26th Nov 2012 07:34:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Finished The Same but More. Didn't start the others, mostly due to them having more wicks for not much time. A few questions:
18 Madrugada26th Nov 2012 08:30:14 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Dragon Writer
A Wiki Trope and Administrivia both fall under the same genre: Topics pertaining to the culture on this wiki.
20 SeptimusHeap26th Nov 2012 10:55:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
So it stays on /Main/, methinks.

Any replies to the other questions?
21 Madrugada26th Nov 2012 11:41:11 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
However, Search Generated Indexes are not unique to this wiki. And Wiki Tropes should include those that are not unique to this wiki.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
In uffish thought
Indeed. A Vitalising Edit, or however you spell it, can happen on any wiki.

To all the pages in the first bullet of 17: Why would any of those go in Administrivia/? None are policy or the like; they're tropes/wiki tropes.
23 SeptimusHeap26th Nov 2012 01:10:02 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
The word you are searching for is Vitalizing Edit, and I was pointing out 17.1 as things that ought to stay in Main/.

The Search-Generated Index question was more about the fact that as-is the page only speaks about us, and is written like a policy page.

edited 26th Nov '12 1:15:58 PM by SeptimusHeap

24 SeptimusHeap1st Dec 2012 05:27:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Got ahead a bit in the work, but now I am not sure if Trope-Namer Syndrome should really be in Administrivia/. Opinions?
25 lu1271st Dec 2012 05:30:07 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Do you need a TRS thread now that you've dealt with The Same but More? You could try a general administrivia sorting in Special efforts.

Page Action: The Same But More
24th Jul '12 5:09:39 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:

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