General Page Quote Discussion:

I prefer the Red Vs Blue quote for Beam Me Up, Scotty!.

edited 6th Feb '18 4:32:03 PM by TotemicHero

The quoteblock / quoteright / quoteleft markup wasn't added by Fast Eddie. It was done by Xzenu in 2010 via the TRS effort's update. There doesn't seem to be any real reason to believe it was Fast Eddie's decision per se. There was an edit war and Fast Eddie ended it by saying to keep the quotes on the right as opposed to the left. Note that it doesn't say "Admin Note" or "Mod Note."

I vote to keep the Confucius quote out of those three because we already have plenty of quotes from the Bible around the site and the other one is longer than the other two.

edited 6th Feb '18 5:27:05 PM by WaterBlap

Wouldn't that be an example of God Never Said That instead of Beam Me Up, Scotty!, since it's coming from a creator?

If it were most of the vast majority of creators out there, I'd agree, but "quoting Shakespeare" has basically established itself as having its own context - in this case, referring exclusively to his plays and poetry. (Plus, you know, due to him living centuries ago he didn't exactly leave much else behind in terms of "quotable" material, so...)

edited 6th Feb '18 10:21:19 PM by TotemicHero

Doomsday Clock has two page quotes:

I can't say that either one really strikes me as all that representative of the trope, and nothing in the example list I skimmed jumped out at me as a suitable replacement.

Don't see a good alternative for Doomsday Clock. I think I'd prefer having no quote to any of the options.

Flowery Insults has a really long quote. Found a shorter one on the quotes page.

Double post to get some of the pending quotes...

Attack Its Weak Point: I can't find anything good either. I'd like to use the Galaxy Quest quote, but I'm not sure about using a subversion.

Beam Me Up Scotty: I like the Red vs Blue/Shakespeare quote.

Still on Doomsday Clock and Flowery Insult.

@4854: I guess you're right. Sure thing, then.

The Maiden Name Debate has the following page quote:

Jacques was written up as an example of the trope, but it seemed driven by no more than the fact the man changed his name upon marriage instead of the woman. But that doesn't seem to be what the trope is really about; it seems to be specifically about there being some kind of debate or internal wrangling over whether the bride or groom should change their name upon marriage. It's the debate that's being troped, not 'man changes surname instead of woman'.

In this show, the back story indicates that Jacques was a gold-digger — he had absolutely no debate over whether or not to take his wife's surname because he was marrying to get his hands on her father's company, and changing his surname to hers (the company's name incorporated that surname) made it easier for him to get his hands on it. It's presented as a cold, calculated, long-term plan.

As to whether or not the wife debated changing her name, we have no idea. She's been mentioned in the show, but has so far not appeared. We don't even know her name.

Given that there's so far no indication this trope was ever in effect, and that the page quote is specifically a father/daughter argument about the corrupt direction the gold-digging father is taking the company in and how he's tarnishing a once-honoured family name in the process, I question whether the quote accurately describes the trope.

edited 9th Feb '18 6:35:18 PM by Wyldchyld

I agree. I think this one might work, but the fact that there's a third party might make it a little confusing:

I don't think anyone who hasn't seen the show will understand that.

I don't know what it is about RWBY, but I've just run into another bad quote on Rebellious Princess. Someone recently changed the Aladdin quote to RWBY song lyrics describing the aforementioned Weiss's defiance against her father. Despite the lyrical references to royalty, Weiss isn't royalty, she's a Spirited Young Lady.

Does anyone mind if I change the quote back to the Aladdin one? Isn't there supposed to be a process people should go through before changing page quotes to make sure things like this don't happen?

Original:

New:

edited 10th Feb '18 9:43:17 AM by Wyldchyld

The process is to bring an existing quote here to change it. Problem is, we don't get as much noise as some other processes.

I say change it back, and link this thread in a commented-out note.

Ayn Rand has two page quotes:

Definitely the first one. The second one is far too negative.

I'm not super fond of the quote on Private Military Contractors. It's also an "anonymous" quote, which usually means some random troper made up the quote themselves. I prefer this one:

I've seen the current quote before TVT ruined me so I don't think it's just troper wanking, but wouldn't mind changing it to the Schlock Mercenary one.

@Candi: Thanks. I've gone ahead and changed the quote back and left both a commented-out note and edit reason stating to come here and discuss page quote changes.

edited 11th Feb '18 12:53:05 PM by Wyldchyld

I'm only vaguely familiar with the context of the Doctor Who quote, but I don't see what's obscure about it as long as the characters' respective surnames are included? Don't think it needs the first couple of lines though, this should do it:

edited 11th Feb '18 1:52:09 PM by johnnye

Surnames actually confuse it even more. There's nothing there to indicate that what's happening is a debate between the two (differently named) parents over whose surname the child has... and if that is the argument being quoted, then it's not an example of The Maiden Name Debate anyway. Unless they're having the argument before they ever get married and have the child of course... but that would be context lost from the quote.

edited 12th Feb '18 11:37:42 AM by Wyldchyld

Yes, on reflection you're right that that's not actually the same trope.

Propose replacing the trope on You Didn't Ask, which essentially just repeats the trope name, with the following which at least adds a punchline:

Found another page with a quote added by Johnnyfog, We All Live in America. Thoughts on which quote would work as a replacement?:

The first one is clearest, funniest, and gives me the least desire to exterminate humanity.

(...Seriously, if that third one is real, it makes my head hurt.)

I'd argue the sheer stupidity of the third one makes it the funniest. But TBH, I'm not in love with any of those quotes, not least because they're all expressing the same somewhat tangential version of the trope.

I like the idea of getting a punchline onto You Didn't Ask.

The quote of Mother Nature, Father Science makes no sense. It's only barely referring to the latter half of the trope, and at initial reading it sounds more like Mad Scientist more than the trope page it's on anyway. Cut?