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Do that. I am not an expert on robots and mechas so I didn't do it when I made the crowner.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Well, if we can summarize this post
to a more manageable length, I would do it right away.
The issue with the splitting is that it's more "split the genre off the mecha" than "split the mecha off the genre" - the current pages always described the mecha, and the rename to "genre" made their names misleading.
edited 13th May '12 7:11:42 AM by Prime32
Ravenous Sophovore
Calling crowner in favor of splitting:
- Super Robot: Humongous Mecha meets Super Hero. Tends to be unique, or at least very limited in quantity; may require a specific person (or a person of a specific type) to pilot it. On the softer side of Mohs Scale Of Sci Fi Hardness; may sometimes be powered by emotion (eg, Heroic Resolve and Hotbloodedness actually make it work better). If a Humongous Mecha is sentient, then it's almost certainly a Super Robot.
- Real Robot: Humongous Mecha meets Military Science Fiction. Tend to be widely-used weapons of war (though the occasional unique Super Prototype or Ace Custom machine may still appear), treated much the same as a tank, fighter plane, or Space Fighter. Harder on the Mohs Scale Of Sci Fi Hardness than Super Robots (though whether they're actually hard sci-fi is a subject of much Fan Wank).
- Super Robot Genre: Typically involves a lone heroic force fighting against overwhelming odds through the power of Hot Blood. Frequently uses a Monster of the Week format, and almost always on the idealistic side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism.
- Real Robot Genre: Tends to focus at least as much on character interaction and worldbuilding as on flashy action sequences. Much more likely to be on the cynical side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism. Frequently set During the War and often shows that War Is Hell.
Ravenous Sophovore
Any progress here?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
In Real Robot Genre, most of the description is about the robots, so the split just needs a writeup of a definition. In Super Robot Genre, most of the description is about the genre.
I think we need the help of the crowner descriptions - and someone familiar with both genres/robots.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ravenous Sophovore
Is this going to be done, or does this need to be shelved?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
That's actually the fundamental difference between them right there, in a nutshell. A better way to put it is that Super Robots are treated like they're characters, while Real Robots are treated like they're equipment, in the way the shows handle them.
That said, I think I'll write a paragraph or two on what, exactly, a Super Robot is, since the page is fairly bare-bones.
edited 8th Oct '12 1:00:24 AM by Specialist290
Bumping this. I've looked over this, and I see that the crowner descriptions seem to be a good starting point for descriptions. Can we use them as descriptions?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jupiterian Local
Given that I wrote those descriptions in the first place (...more than a year ago? Sheesh), I could whip up some sandbox versions of the four pages required, but sorting examples and wicks is going to be waaaay more than a one-man job.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Nobody has said that it will be a single person work to move wicks and examples. I am not competent enough to help with sandboxing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jupiterian Local
Well, yeah. I was just asking for help with wicks and examples, basically.
Preliminary version of Sandbox.Super Robot is up. I'll post more sandboxes as I make 'em.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
I like the draft of Sandbox.Super Robot.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jupiterian Local
Sandbox.Real Robot is up.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
That one looks good as well. That said, I am not an expert in this stuff.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
What about the checklist on the current page?
edited 9th Jan '13 3:01:57 PM by Prime32
Jupiterian Local
The checklist on Main.Super Robot, you mean? Quite frankly, it's hideously long and borderline useless. Most of the stuff on it is mentioned in the description already, and the ones that aren't are either hideously vague, not restricted to super robots, or both. I mean, that checklist includes things like "uses green energy" and "has a name that starts with G, unless it's Gundam, which doesn't count". If there's anything specific in the checklist that didn't make it into the sandbox writeup that you think should, let me know, but by and large I'm happy to axe the whole checklist.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
That checklist is awful. Torch it with extreme prejudice.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
I remember that that section became the subject of an edit war once.
At best, it's Analysis/ fodder.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jupiterian Local
Sandbox.Super Robot Genre is up.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Jupiterian Local
Preliminary version of Sandbox.Real Robot Genre up. I'm not particularly happy with that one, but it's been almost a week, so I wanted to get something up.
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Jupiterian Local
Bump. We've got Sandbox.Super Robot, Sandbox.Super Robot Genre, Sandbox.Real Robot, and Sandbox.Real Robot Genre which have descriptions but need examples sorted into them (plus better page quotes and images). I'd also like to see some more commentary on them before they go live, given that me and Septimus are really the only ones who've said anything about them so far.
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Jupiterian Local
So, I finally got around to starting sorting examples for Real Robot and I ran into a problem. Should this just apply to Humongous Mecha, or can related tropes (like Powered Armor and Spider Tank) count as well? There are a fair number of non-Humongous Mecha examples in Real Robot Genre, but the way I wrote the new descriptions, they refer to Humongous Mecha exclusively.
edited 9th Mar '13 7:48:13 PM by NativeJovian
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Are there any Super Robot counterparts to these? Because IINM the Real Robot Genre was born as a reaction to the Super Robot Genre.
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Vote up for yes, down for no.
I suggest adding a concise explanation to the At Issue box, in case a voter is too much in a hurry or lazy to flip through the thread.
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