Comic Book: Ultimate Fantastic Four
Ultimate Fantastic Four
is a reboot/reimagining of the classic superhero team for Marvel Comics Ultimate Marvel
line. It sees Reed Richards, Sue and her brother Johnny, as well as Ben Grimm, reimagined as young adults housed in the Baxter Building after an experiment in Inter-Dimensional Teleportation gives them all special abilities. Reed Richards is a young scientist, part of a government think-tank, charged with creating new technologies for the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D.
. An unsuccessful attempt at teleportation transforms the physical forms of himself, the children of the think tank director, his best friend Benn Grimm, as well as his colleague Victor Van Damme, into beings that are no longer human.
Now a team of superheroes, the Fantastic Four
spend their days fighting off intergalactic and inter-dimensional threats, many of which come about due to Reed's experiments, while they're hidden from the public eye, forced to live out their days in the Baxter Building under the eye of Dr. Franklin Storm.
The series lasted for sixty issues, from February, 2004 to April, 2009. As of Ultimatum
, the series was canceled and the Four have broken up: Sue continues her research at the Baxter Building, Ben's a test pilot for S.H.I.E.L.D., Johnny's moved in with Spider-Man
, and Reed moved back in with his family. In the "Ultimate Doomsday" trilogy of miniseries, it was discovered that Reed had become disgruntled, turning villainous in wanting to change the world by force. Meanwhile, Ben has shed his stone skin, becoming physically human again but having unknown energy powers. Johnny later became a member of the Ultimate X-Men
A new volume has been launched in 2014, following the Cataclysm
crossover. Dubbed Ultimate FF
(as in Future Foundation, not Fantastic Four), the new series stars the Invisible Woman, Iron Man
, The Falcon
, Machine Man, Phil Coulson and Doctor Doom
. After the disappointing sales of the first two issues, Marvel cancelled the book, effectively turning it into a 6 part mini-series.
Ultimate Fantastic Four provides examples of the following tropes:
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Ultimate Fantastic Four
- Abbey Road Crossing
- Absurdly Spacious Sewer: Reed gets chased through one of these by an Alternate Human Torch.
- Abusive Parents: Both Reed and Victor.
- Academy of Adventure: The Baxter Building, before the accident that empowered the Four. (Though Reed pointed out that "it wasn't Hogwarts", as the military was there in case people had to be protected from the students.) Afterward, the other kids were sent to another facility.
- Action Girl: Right off the bat, Sue is much more assertive, is a biologist at the Baxter Building and almost immediately realizes her full potential as the most powerful member of the team.
- Adaptational Badass: Willie Lumpkin goes from senior citizen mailman to Colonel Badass.
- Adaptation Origin Connection: As with most adaptations of the Four, this one makes Doctor Doom responsible for the accident that gives them their powers.
- Adaptational Villainy: Reed Richards.
- Adaptation Name Change:
- Reed's father went from Nathaniel to Gary.
- Infamously, Doctor Doom's last name was changed from "Von Doom" to "Van Damme".
- Adult Fear: Dr. Storm is repeatedly afraid of losing his children to monstrous creatures and beings beyond his comprehension because of the world they now inhabit. And he's powerless to stop it.
- Affably Evil: The zombie Reed Richards of the Frightful Four.
- A God Am I: Thanos in possession of the Cube.
- Alien Invasion: To obtain the Cube
- Always Save the Girl: Subverted. In Ultimatum, Reed leaves an ill Sue behind to face Dr. Doom. She was pissed when she got better.
- America Saves the Day: Both played straight and subverted within the same issue. The army comes to the Four's aid in Denmark, but they are met with Danish Military who says that they may not like what Victor's been doing, but he's still there legally.
- Anachronism Stew: Doom turns Latvaria into one of these. With Oktoberfest and Tomorrow Land back to back.
- Animated Armor: How Doom sees himself at least. A perfect suit of Wallachian armor. Helped by his transformation turning him into a being of living metal.
- Another Dimension: The N-Zone.
- Anti-Villain: Alternate Magneto. Yes, he's a Mutant supremacist, but he lives in a Zombie Apocalypse world.
- Apocalypse How: Diablo nearly causes either a Class 6 or a Class X.
- Badass Grandpa: Crimson Dynamo; doubles as a Retired Bad Ass.
- Badass Moustache: General Ross
- Balkanize Me: Van Damme turns a part of Denmark into this.
- Balls of Steel: re; Ben: "He's got big ones, that kid."
- Bare Your Midriff: Sue
- Batman Gambit
- An Alternate Reed Richards (who is later revealed to be zombie Reed) pulls this on the Ultimate Reed.
- "Doom" tries to pull one on Magneto, causing Ultimatum.
- Mrs. Storm pulls one on everybody.
- Bears Are Bad News: Subverted. Kragoth's bear Mishka is actually really nice.
- Be Careful What You Wish For: Thanos. See Power Incontinence.
- Beneath the Earth: Where Molevic and his mold creatures live.
- Beware the Nice Ones: One of the most brilliant people in the world, who grew up bullied and unappreciated, thinks he has the answers to every problem that comes his way, and wants desperately to make the world a better place but feels interminably frustrated at being under the military's thumb. What could go wrong?
- Bilingual Bonus: A lot of Russian is untranslated, in the Ghosts arc.
- A Birthday, Not a Break: Victor finds out about his family history.
- Body Horror
- Red Ghost
- Ben and Reed count as well. Ben has stone skin, and it's apparently a miracle that he can even breath... and Reed has no internal organs.
- Victor von Damme, a.k.a. Ultimate Doctor Doom, has his flesh turn into living metal, his organs apparently rotted away inside him (giving him the ability to vomit toxic fumes and sludge at his opponents), and gains a devil-like tail and cloven-hooved legs look.
- Everybody in "President Thor" who took the Skrull pills.
- Breakup Breakout: Johnny's the only one of the Four to make regular appearances since Ultimatum.
- Breather Episode: "God War" is an arc filled with Cast of Snowflakes aliens, disjunction, weird trajectories, Timey-Wimey Ball, and several bad guys all wanting a non-descript MacGuffin that doesn't exist yet with a rushed ending. It's followed by the fairly straightforward "Devils" which involves Diablo kidnapping the Four's loved ones, and them going into the past and beating him up.
- Breath Weapon: Victor has poisonous gas inside of him, post transformation.
- The Bro Code: In '"Ultimate Enemy", Ben confesses to Sue that he's fallen for her, but had refused to act on or acknowledge those feelings because she was with Reed. After some consideration, Sue realizes that she felt the same way. Though we never get to see how this might have effected Ben's friendship with Reed, since the team had already dissolved by the time Ben confessed, and by the time Sue and Ben got together, Reed was trapped in the N-Zone, apparently presumed dead.
- Buffy Speak: Victor having sent the four "little stabby things".
- Chekhov's Gunman: Strange Josie was mentioned as one of many Baxter Building students with weird hobbies before appearing as an actual character.
- Clock Roaches: The Argiopes
- Clothes Make the Superman: The Skrull Anti-Assassination suit.
- Complexity Addiction: Doctor Doom as soon as he's set up shop in Latvaria.
- Composite Character: Super Skrull is Ben Grimm.
- Dangerously Short Skirt: Professor Agatha Harkness
- Deadly Gas: The N-Zone's atmosphere is acidic.
- Death World
- The N-Zone is an dimension of this.
- Alternate world Marvel is a lesser variant of this trope.
- Department of Redundancy Department: Ultimate Thinker talks lightning fast and repeats herself expressed in a different way, a bit like Blurr would.
- Dirty Old Man: Molevic says he loves Sue. It's not expanded upon whether it means just her or her and the other Fantastic Four members, or whether it's this trope.
- Disney Villain Death: Dr. Molevic
- Downer Ending: The four don't get a happy end.
- Dracula: He was a normal human being according to Victor's father, and his ancestor.
- Dragon with an Agenda: Mrs. Storm to Doctor Doom.
- Dude Magnet: Sue. She attracts nearly every main character, including a lesbian, ending up with Benjamin Grimm.
- Eaten Alive: Alternate Reed by MAGGOTS.
- Eating the Eye Candy: Sue to Namor.
- Eldritch Abomination: A baby one from Lovecraft nestles itself in Johnny's abdomen.
- Elemental Powers
- Like the original versions, the Four's powers are said to correspond to the four elements, though comparing Reed to water is kind of a stretch.
- The same thing applies to Doom, who has been likened to the elemental of Metal.
- Namor seems to have a dash of Making a Splash powers alongside his Flying Brick set.
- Engrish: Peppone speaks English this way; justified seeing as he's a Meat Puppet for Diablo, a time-displaced Italian in this incarnation.
- E.T. Gave Us Wi-Fi: Played straight and inverted. For the trope played straight; see the trope below. The inversion? The Skrulls are cultivating humans and plan to steal their technology.
- Everyone Is a Super: When Reed fixes the accident via time travel, humanity achieves first contact with the Skrulls, who provide them with special pills that turn everyone on Earth into a superhuman. Ben is the only one on Earth who doesn't take them. Good thing too, since they have some rather nasty delayed effects.
- Evil Costume Switch: The people directly under the Mind Control of Thanos.
- Evil Is Petty: Doctor Doom
- Evil Makes You Ugly: Happened to Victor Van Damme early on, transforming from surly pretty boy into a metallic Satyr. This is also the ultimate fate of Reed Richards, when it's revealed he has been behind everything in the Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy. Crosses over into Fridge Brilliance when you realize that he has in effect become Ultimate Doctor Doom.
- The Evils of Free Will: Both Thanos and King Revka / Psycho Man believe this. Thanos' version is a The Empire of fear and surpression, Psycho Man imprints his will upon the human race reminiscent of a Shangri La
- Eyes Never Lie: John says Ben is still Ben because his eyes never changed. On a minor note, Victor says his voice hasn't changed either.
- After the events of Ultimate Enemy, it looks as though Ben has evolved into Ultimate Wonder Man.
- And Evil Reed can be compared to Kang the Conqueror. Some also argue that he's the REAL Ultimate Doctor Doom.
- Failed a Spot Check: Professor Storm really missed what Reed was going to do with 50 tons of C4.
- Fakeout Escape: There's a sequence (imported from the original comics) where Sue turns invisible when government officials come to check on her, then runs out the doorway during their confusion.
- Famous Last Words: "Goodbye Mindy, be good."
- Fantastic Racism: The Chitauri are apparently an outcast caste of Skrull. Calling Skrull Chitauri is insulting seeing as they're different. No. They're not.
- "Fantastic Voyage" Plot: JOURNEY TO THE CENTRE OF AN INVISIBLE WOMAN.
- Flechette Storm: Doom has the ability to shoot razor sharp spines of his own living metal body at people.
- "Freaky Friday" Flip: Doom blackmails Reed into doing this during the "Frightful" arc. Reed turns it around by attempting to pull a Heroic Sacrifice, and revealing the truth just before doing so: Doom reverses the switch rather than let Reed take the credit.
- From Nobody to Nightmare: Reed Richards started out as a bullied teenager mocked for his intelligence, became a superhero, but after growing out of favor with the way the world is run, decided to take over the world, and now he's basically the Ultimate version of Kang the Conqueror.
- Full Name Ultimatum: Reed.
- Fur and Loathing: Victor van Damme, once he takes up the mantle of Doctor Doom upgrades from a raggedy cloak, to a majestic fur collared Badass Cape.
- Gaia's Vengeance: Red Ghost even refers to her crusade as "Gaia's judgment".
- Gender Flip: Ultimate Thinker, who's also a case of a Race Lift.
- General Ripper: General Ross, complete with at least one Shout-Out to Doctor Strangelove.
Sue: Ross is so crazy he got shot or blown up or something and then came back to life. On the slab. And do you remember what he said to the mortuary attendant?
Reed: "Hands off my precious bodily fluids, soldier."
- Gentle Giant: Ben, except for when it's clobberin' time.
- Giant Flyer: Nihil's ship.
- Giant Spider: The Clock Roaches in this reality are big black and yellow spiders, the size of a Volkswagen truck.
- Giver of Lame Names: Reed (the "Fantasti-car"), Johnny (the "Awesome"), and Ben (the "Awesome II")
- Godwin's Law: Invoked by Dr. Molevic in regards to Sue's father.
- Gratuitous Italian: Diablo peppers his speech with it.
- Grounded Forever: Dr. Storm threatens Sue with this.
Dr. Storm: You're grounded 'till you're thirty!
- Gross-Up Close-Up: Of Dr. Molevic' disgusting moles. Repeatedly.
- The Grotesque: How the Inhumans refer to Ben.
- Grumpy Bear: Ben. Justified.
- Hannibal Lecture: Alternate Reed.
- Heroic Sacrifice Alternate Magneto.
- Hidden Elf Village: Atillan
- Hive Mind: Red Ghost's Body Horror.
- Honor Before Reason: Victor would rather die than have Reed sacrifice himself for his sake.
- Hourglass Plot: A flashback shows that when they were younger, Ben was "in charge" of the friendship and had to explain sports to Reed repeatedly using simple words.
- I Cannot Self-Terminate: Ben has actually tried killing himself.
- I Just Want to Be Normal: Ben, par for the course.
- Immune to Bullets: Ben finds out in a trial by fire.
- I'm Standing Right Here: Thing to Johnny in the N-Zone arc, when he makes a nasty crack about him.
- Invisible Wall: Sue creates a slapstick moment with Reed running into one.
- I Surrender, Suckers: Mrs. Storm to Namora.
- It's a Costume Party, I Swear: Johnny does this to Ben. He doesn't take it well, and seeing how far Ben's sunk into depression convinces the others to try and Set Right What Once Went Wrong.
- The Juggernaut: Ben seems a lot more physically imposing than his 616 counterpart. He tanks everything the world throws at him and even beats up Marvel Zombies Hulk.
- Jumping Off the Slippery Slope: Victor goes from a know-it-all jerk to a homocidal Gadgeteer Genius.
- Killed Off for Real: Surprisingly, none of the four died during Ultimatum. Professor Storm does, and the four do break up.
- Literal Surveillance Bug: Victor creates a swarm of these. They carry spikes big enough to kill a man.
- Locking MacGyver in the Store Cupboard: The other Think Tank members by Molevic.
- Long List: Victor has to be able to recite his ancestry starting from Vladimir Tepes.
- Lysistrata Gambit: Susan uses this on Reed in order to get himself checked out.
- MacGyvering: Alternate Reed makes a teleporter out of a pen. No he doesn't.
- Made of Iron: Doom literally after the accident.
- Making a Splash: Namor
- Mauve Shirt: Lt. Lumpkin
- Mommy Had a Good Reason for Abandoning You: Susan and Johnny's mom faked her death so that she could study Atlantis. Susan is unimpressed.
- Mind Control: With a Power Tattoo made of Nano Technology.
- Mistaken for Royalty: Namor is a prisoner. That was not a tomb.
- More Than Mind Control: The Surfer's master, King Revka the King with no Enemies.
- Motor Mouth: Rhona Burchill (the "Mad Thinker")
- My Badge Is Up Here
- My Greatest Failure: Ben becoming the Thing, is Reed's. Getting blamed for the experiment going awry is Doom's.
- Names to Run Away From Really Fast: The Thing lampshades this when the crew meets Ultimate Annihilus for the first time.
Thing: Dude, we meet our first alien, and his name is like "E-Vill" or something.
- Nano Technology
- Never My Fault
- Victor blames Reed for the accident that transformed the five of them, saying that Reed's work was so wrong, that even he couldn't fix it. The "President Thor" arc showed what would have happened if he hadn't messed with the equipment.
- Likewise, Reed blames Doom.
- Never Live It Down
- In-Universe, Doom considers the experiment this, especially being blamed for it.
- A comical version is Reed being a Giver of Lame Names which gets a lot of riffing the first time, and the second time he's made something he gets asked "So what's this one called, the Wonderbus?"
- Never the Selves Shall Meet: Well they can, but like in Timecop or Doctor Who, this invokes bad things.
- Nice Job Breaking It, Hero
- Reed created the Cosmic Cube to defend Earth against Thanos... which is exactly what Thanos was manipulating him to do.
- Finally subverted in the Ultimate Power crossover. At first it looks like Reed's probes triggered the disaster that ravaged the Supreme Power universe, but in fact it was a conspiracy between Doom and Emil Burbank.
- Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: Victor changes the figures in Reed's N-Zone experiment, and winds up transforming himself and the Fantastic Four. Turns out that if Victor hadn't altered the calculations, Reed would have made first contact with the Skrulls and doomed the human race to extinction.
- Nigh Invulnerable: Ben. Even more so after he evolves.
- Nightmare Face: Rhona Burchill, courtesy of self-inflicted brain surgery to boost her own intellect.
- Noahs Ark: Through The Remnant, invoked by Molevic.
- Not So Different
- Reed and Victor both share a similar backstory, suffering at the hands of abusive fathers, pouring all their energy into science at a young age. Unlike Victor, however, Reed had a loving mother and younger sister, as well as a best friend in the form of Ben Grimm, that kept his life from being a living hell. Ultimate Mystery and Ultimate Doom shows us that even a loving mother, sister and best friend isn't enough to keep Reed from going over the deep end to the point where the heroes are wondering if he's just Doom II. Diablo pulls this on Reed as well, saying they're both alchemists just looking for answers.
- Reed and Sue both, as newborns, do the exact same thing.
- Ben invokes this to Thanos' daughter.
- Obviously Evil: Annihilus, at least in Ben's eyes. Reed was too busy marvelling at the entire situation.
- Oh, Crap
- The Skrull leader gains his powers by copying the abilities of any other mutant/metahuman in the area. At the end of an alternate universe arc, he gloats to a powerless Ben Grimm that the last Earthling aside from himself just died and Ben is now the last man alive. Ben responds by slowly taking off his coat and cracking his knuckles. Then, the Skrull realizes how screwed he is.
- Red Ghost says this as well, probably.
- Order Versus Chaos: Thanos is the ultimate order.
- Painting the Medium: When Molevic is dictating, the font of his Speech Bubble changes to what he quoted earlier. Bookman Bold, size 16.
- Phlebotinum Analogy: Ben is an apple.
- Power Copying
- Skrull tech can achieve this.
- As can Red Ghost.
- Power Incontinence: Leads to Thanos' final death.
- Power Tattoo: Victor applies these on his minions and followers.
- Put on a Bus: Victor is stranded in the Marvel Zombies universe at the end of Frightful.
- Psychic Nosebleed: Sue suffers from these.
- The Psycho Rangers: Alternate Fantastic Four
- Race Lift: Ultimate Thinker is not a stuffy old man, but rather a young coloured girl.
- Reasonable Authority Figure: Dr. Storm
- Reed Richards Is Useless: Victor van Damme seems to think so. Post-Ultimate Enemy, this is less than true.
- Red Right Hand: Post transformation, Victor has cloven feet.
- Rent-a-Zilla: Just like their 616 counterparts, this is the first threat they face.
- Required Secondary Powers: A lot of emphasis is put on how the four now function after the accident.
- Say My Name: It's nearly a multiversal constant, isn't it? RICHAAAAAARDS!!
- Screams Like a Little Girl: Sue calls herself on this (the others are just confused).
- Series Continuity Error: The Maker Reed shows to Falcon how he keeps his intellect always a few steps ahead of The Children by enlongating his brain. That shouldn't be possible or even necessary. To elaborate: in the first run of UFF, Sue ran some tests on Reed and found out that his organism was completely mutated; he became a worm-like being with just a core, no organs other than that. And later, Sue's mother remarked that Reed was getting smarter by the minute due his mutation. So in the span of a thousand years Reed would be evolving his genius naturally, and there would be no brain for him to elongate.
- Set Right What Once Went Wrong: Reed tries to use time travel to make sure the transporter test goes as planned. It works, but the new Ben Grimm ends up traveling back in and time and sabotaging it himself due to what happens.
- Shout-Out: "Sue's sick! And Moley is Hugh Laurie in this situation."
- Single Woman Seeks Good Man
- Sue and Reed. Or so it first seems, before their relationship ends disastrously and Reed turns out not be such a good man.
- Played straight in Ultimate Enemy, when Sue finds a much healthier relationship with Ben.
- Space Whale: Several.
- Stable Time Loop: Reed disposed of the Cosmic Cube by sending it back in time, where Thanos first found it.
- Stay in the Kitchen: Sue does not like being told to "Stop asking questions."
- Steven Ulysses Perhero: This Doctor Doom's name is more subtle about this: it's Victor van Damme rather than von Doom.
- Team Mom: Sue, as usual.
- Techno Babble: This book has Reed Richards.
- Teleporters and Transporters: What the experiment should have done.
- This Is Gonna Suck: Said word for word by Reed as the Fantasticar gets shot down.
- Time Travel: Alongside a bit of Set Right What Once Went Wrong in "President Thor".
- Timey-Wimey Ball: By being sent into the past an hour, the four can travel from Medieval ages back to their own time, because of their own personal clock.
- Token Human: Ben is this, in a weird Hourglass Plot manner, in President Thor.
- Too Dumb to Live: Some Chrono-Terrorists holding the first creature to go outside of the ocean hostage for ransom.
- Tyrannosaurus rex: Ben isn't impressed.
- Un-Sorcerer: The "President Thor" arc.
- Utopia Justifies the Means
- Revka Temerlune Edifex Scyros III ("Psycho-Man"), enslaved an entire world by making them unable to feel anything but happiness, and did the same thing with the human-race after the populace of his home-world were brought out of his mind-control and their first encounter with negative emotions caused them to kill themselves and each other.
- In Ultimate Enemy, Reed Richards decides that blowing up buildings with tentacle monsters is a good way to stop people from using science for the wrong reasons.
- Vichy Earth
- Skrull world.
- Reed's The City seems like this as well.
- Villainous BSOD: When Van Damme's subjects are turned from him.
- "Well Done, Son!" Guy: Victor van Damme
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: In the post-series Ultimate Enemy trilogy, Reed turns into one.
- We Are as Mayflies
- Namor has been imprisoned over 9000 years. The worst this has done to him was cause some entropy in his muscles, like astronauts suffer from.
- Likewise the Skrull, the oldest living one is over a billion.
- We Named the Monkey Jack: I Named the Android Bobby.
- What Does She See in Him?
- Both Strange Josie and Namor have wondered enviously why Sue is dating Reed.
- Ben gets this about his friendship with Reed.
- When All You Have Is a Hammer: If a bazooka is good enough to shoot down a plane, it should work on the Thing, right?
- Who's Laughing Now?:
- Who Wants to Live Forever?
- Norrin Radd finds this a punishment by the hands of the King with no Enemies.
- Thanos planned to impose this onto the Universe as a whole.
- Why Are You Not My Son?: Reed's father very much prefers Ben to his own son, apparently for his athletic abilities, and because he finds Reed's genius to be a nuisance.
- Why Don't You Just Shoot Him?: Subverted at first, with Victor, he just tries to outright kill the Four. After he becomes Doctor Doom his Evil Is Petty side and Complexity Addiction kicks in.
- Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds: Reed Richards
- Would Hit a Girl: Namor
- Wreathed in Flames: Johnny
- Written Sound Effect: It's a Comic Book so these are abundant.
- The Most Triumphant Example is when an explosion goes FWAAASH.
Why didn't you tell me there'd be a FWAAASH
- And later; SCHRAMMMM
That's the noise I make when I rip a steel door off it's hinges. Reed:
That's more of a KROOOOM this was more of a SCHRAMMMM
- You Do Not Want To Know: Ben can still go to the bathroom, but you don't wanna know the details. It's even worse when he has gas.
- You're Insane!: "The Difference Is That I'm Sane!"
- You Read Too Many Comic Books: Quipped by Reed.
- Zombie Apocalypse: The debut of the Marvel Zombies reality.
- Actually a Doombot: Victor is genuinely confused when Namor says he saw him die, and when Tony says he tried to destroy the world. He reveals he had Mary Storm pose as him during his time away from Earth-1610 as a contingency plan.
- Back for the Dead: Namor
- The Bus Came Back: This is Victor Van Damme's first appearance since he was left for dead in the Marvel Zombies universe.
- Continuity Snarl: While revealing that the Doom who kicked off the events Ultimate Power, The Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum (and died the latter one) was really Mary Storm, a new one was created: namely Doom calling out for Storm the last of those events after Magneto's actions resulted in Latervia being frozen.
- Deadpan Snarker: The entire squad with the exception of Sue and Victor are this. It is to the point that they go into full snark fests with each other and Tony cannot go a panel with out saying something irrelevantly humorous.
- First Episode Spoiler: Victor Van Damme is the fourth member of the field team.
- Me's a Crowd: Machine Man, being made of Gah Lak Tus nanomachines, is able to duplicate himself.
- Spiritual Successor: In-Universe, the Future Foundation is specifically designed to be one to the Baxter Building think tank.
- Spotting the Thread: Ultimate Victor Van Damme does not have organic fluids in him. This was a plot hole in Ultimatum as Victor had his head crushed by the Thing and there was blood and guts everywhere when there should have not been. So of course, in Ultimate FF #3, Victor explains that he sent someone else back to rule in his absence so it really wasn't him. The rule that death means death in the Ultimate Universe still applies.