Discussion YMMV / JohnCena

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Hey-oh!

I have to agree, it's too fucking long and has pretty much crossed into Darth Wiki territory. I'm cutting it and replacing it with a much shorter abridgement.

Since when is Jerk Sue a Dark Wiki page? A year later still doesn't seem to be...might be some potential in the idea though

Jerk Sue is not in Darth Wiki. They were saying that the example was written in Darth Wiki style (=not-appropriate-for-the-main-wiki style, in other words), though.

Pretty much that. It had stopped being something you'd write on a YMMV page and became something better placed on either Wallbanger, So Bad Its Horrible or Dethroning Moment Of Suck.

Thing is, the large majority of all that was true. You can confirm the crowd responses on Raw, even if you remove the admittedly judgmental tone of the article, but why would you? This is audience reactions, your mileage may vary and you're entitled to your own opinion, so long as its based on something that actually happened. Some of that stuff was factually inaccurate and that should have been trimmed but just arbitrarily cutting the whole thing makes us seem like the sound guys trying to find kids to mic when the crowd decides to take a dump on Cena and bring up his charity acts to shame us for booing him.

Not that I think I've ever booed John Cena at any WWE event I've been to, I am in his supposed target audience. Look through the edit history and see I've removed or corrected a few negative opinions about John Cena. I'm not bringing this up for the sake of complaining, just that legit complaints should be allowed to stay in some capacity.

This stuff at least seems worth saving.

• Before when he'd F-U Teddy Long on SmackDown!, for no real reason, John Cena was portrayed as a thug so it wasn't a thing. The problem is he became the poster boy of "Don't Be A Bully, Be A Star" but still has thuggish tendencies.
• One week after Eve and Cena kissed seemingly in the heat of the moment after he saved her from Kane for the 30th time right in front of Zack Ryder, Cena overheard her reveal to the Bella Twins she was a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing. Problem is, he blatantly reciprocated despite the fact she was (seemingly at the time) the girlfriend/object of desire of his best friend Zack Ryder…right in front of Ryder.
• From both an entertainment quality standpoint and from a Be a Star top face morality standpoint, Cena may have achieved the apex of this trope on January 21, 2013, when he closed out the go-home RAW before the Royal Rumble with one of the absolute worst main event promos in wrestling history. With constant hype for his address appearing throughout the night, on the same night in which the table was laid out for via several quality segments for Rock vs. Punk—a match to determine who Cena would main event WrestleMania 29 against for the WWE Championship if he were to win the Royal Rumble match—and with a lukewarm reception from the audience in San Jos, Cena proceeded to come out and address the WWE Universe by…picking out a child, a woman, and a man from the audience, to Troll about how they supposedly spend their Sundays.
  • He first picked out a little boy in a plain black tee. To begin with he talked as if he had any jurisdiction in the boy's life by checking him about school and homework, then made a point of saying kids these days don't go outside or use the phone in order to speculate that that's the hardcore gamer always beating him in Call of Duty: Black Ops II online, before apparently revealing his username to be "skidmarks187".
  • He next targeted a blonde woman wearing a hat and a white shirt, seemingly hitting on her but not showing her much respect in the process. He speculated that she spends her Saturday nights getting drunk at clubs with her girlfriends, starts her Sundays recovering from the ensuing hangover and posting pictures of the previous night's clubbing, then goes to the gym and posts a pic of herself in a provocative yoga position, goes back home and listens to Taylor Swift on YouTube to get over a recent breakup, then listens to Nicki Minaj because during her drunken girls' night out escapades the previous night, she may have discovered a man she could have a future with. Leaving aside the Unfortunate Implications regarding Nicki Minaj's music being in any way productive when it comes to future relationsips, the "young lady" he just depicted as a club rat for the sake of his routine appeared to be about his age at least (though she definitely aged well) and two of the three young adult boys she was sitting next to looked like they could've very well been her sons. And let's not even mention that the man she supposedly met…
  • …was Cena's third roast victim, a portly man with a goatee on the other side of the front row wearing a Paul Heyman Guy T-shirt. He claimed that this guy wakes up on Sunday afternoons covered in bodily fluids, with a receipt in his back pocket for 168 blow-up dolls (with only one left) and two Jägerbombs. He also accused the man of having a Judge Joe Brown tattoo on his shoulder and of posting a photo of his privates on Facebook a la Brett Favre. Basically, he painted the man as being a sexually frustrated and incontinent nerd with no life. Which, perhaps uncoincidentally, is what many people tend to think most critical internet fans are.
  • It was only after embarrassing himself and his handpicked victims for at least five minutes on end that Cena finally got to the point; that this coming Sunday was different because it was the Royal Rumble. He began to talk about how that made this particular Sunday different for members of the "WWE Universe", trying to make it sound like something akin to the Super Bowl, but without once mentioning any of the many available facts surrounding the Rumble's mythos or acknowledging his 29 opponents in any way, shape, or form, before declaring that he will win the Royal Rumble. The segment (and the idea that Cena's expected to win the Rumble in spite of it) was immediately pounded on by Cena's detractors as the walking embodiment of why they can't stand him, with even some of his fans admitting that it completely sucked and/or that his character has become problematic. In fact his performance would become a topic of discussion in the locker room backstage after the show, and the general consensus was not at all positive.
  • It's also worth noting that, despite what WWE editing and propaganda may try to have you believe (their YouTube channel's posted cut of Cena's promo was edited down to four sentences, for example), the San Jose crowd for the most part refused to accept his designation as their hero. His statement that "The whole world will find out what I already know!" was met with "Cena Sucks" chants which WWE tried to drown out by having mics pick up a couple of kids crying out "Let's go Cena!", before he finished that thought by saying he will win the Royal Rumble…and got booed for it. And of course, Cena won the Royal Rumble.
• The night after his WWE Championship victory over the Rock at WrestleMania, Cena finishes the night getting destroyed by Mark Henry, with Ryback coming out to make the save only to turn on Cena and finish the job. Despite the giant pop he gets for this and the fact baby faces attacking each other over the WWE title has been done a million times, Ryback is immediately designated as the heel in the aftermath. So Ryback, in a black room the following week, calls out a lot of the stuff listed above within this same trope about Cena being a horrible friend and an egomaniac, citing how Cena pulled him close and made him feel like a friend only to NEVER back him up when he was getting jumped by the Shield, as well as made jokes galore in his celebration at the beginning of the previous week's show acting like no one else deserved to be where he was.
• On the April 22, 2013 Raw, Mick Foley had brought a chair to the ring for a confrontation with Ryback. Mick left before the chair could be used. The Shield showed up, of course, and it looked like they were going to attack Ryback. Cena walked out and it looked like he was going to stand back and let the Shield gang up on Ryback. Instead, he grabbed the chair Mick had left behind and used it against the Shield. Only to hit Ryback with the AA. Read above: Ryback's "shocking act of betrayal" involved first saving Cena from being destroyed only to finish the job himself, then the following week leaving him high and dry for an attack against the Shield. Cena openly pretended to do the latter, only to turn around and do the former.

No.

You don't get the argument being made; all of that there is already too much and too long. Putting it on the page is just going to attract misuse and blow out the page with complaining. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, it just brought nothing but toxicity to the page.

Plus, most of the entries seem like "Jerk". Never mind that Sue tropes that attract problems are best left out.