Discussion Characters / HololiveEnglish

Cut it. I never really cared for that section.

I think we need to know more about Omegaα first. What even are they, what is their anatomy like, and are there any more of the same species.

Indeed, that sounds like the right course of action. I approb 👍

One thing I cannot for the life of me figure out though. Was it Jenma or Enma who played Left 4 Dead? People are giving arguments for both. On the one hand, Ina drew Enma in response to that stream, on the other hand Gura and Ame both were referring to her as Enma so you'd think they would have said something if that was Ina's solo stream manager that they don't work with.

Ame directly says the L 4 D Enma is their manager.

I think it's more likely that it was Jenma who played Left 4 Dead. Ina mentioned that originally Enma was meant to be a stand-in for all 3 managers, meaning she might not have intended to draw the manager who played L 4 D from the beginning (only incorporating the traits of the manager from that stream into this 'new' character). This also lines up with Gura and Ame saying that the "Enma" in the L 4 D stream is their manager.

That's a good point. Although there was one instance (around 1:09:00), Ina mentions both Enma and Jenma and says "Kiara gave one of the other managers a different name", which clashes with Kiara's version which says Jenma was the original Enma.

Ugh, I wish Kiara had run it by the other girls before deciding to rename and design the main manager and not elaborating.

Actually on second thought I think you're right. Ina designed the back-then main Enma who was overall manager, intending her to represent EN managers in general, kinda like A-chan. But then at some point when the managers split and Ina got her own manager, Kiara went and renamed the original Enma to Jenma, pretty much messing up Ina's EN A-chan idea, while the Enma design was reassigned to Ina's own manager.

Now this is bizarre situation... Should we should move all the Left 4 Dead tropes from Enma to Jenma since canonically, the one who performed those feats was actually Jenma; or do we keep those tropes on Enma since she's the one who's associated with them, despite not actually being involved in said event? Hmm...

Well here's the problem, when Ina designed Enma that means she was intending them for the old Enma / Jenma. So technically speaking it *was* still Enma, but then that Enma underwent a name change. Hmm, would this be a case of Decomposite Character or something?

Anyway, I think maybe we could split up Jenma's tropes for before when she was the overall Enma and after Kiara renamed her to Jenma. Basically like she's "'original' Enma" or "Enma 1". Especially since Gura and Ame still refer to her as Enma, which is technically not wrong, since it's Kiara who is actually the outlier.

So using headers to separate Jenma's folder into 'Original' Enma & the Jenma that Kiara refers to, huh? And then moving all the Left 4 Dead-related tropes into the new 'Original' Enma section... That might just work.

We will need to update Enma's Character description to reflect this change too.

Yah and possibly including that in the folder name too since as far as Gura and Ame (and their chats) are concerned, she still is Enma.

Sounds good to me.

Feel free to make a new Folder on this page for Enma for now. If you guys are able to write a couple of tropes & some description for the character entry, I'll reorganize the pages so that Enma is appropriately placed.

If we do that, shouldn't we also add an entry for The Ancient Ones? Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Enma only appeared once, while The Ancient Ones are a regular fixture in Ina's chat as a mod?

The Ancient Ones does indeed deserve her own entry, so feel free to also add a Folder for Ao-chan. AND for your information, it doesn't matter whether a character has only made one appearance or is a regular in the cast. As long as we can successfully write a couple of tropes for them, they are valid entries like the rest.

See https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.HololiveJapan [search for " crazysamaritan "] or https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=92683&type=att for more details.

I put in an entry for The Ancient Ones but someone with greater knowledge may want to add to it.

What happened to the Ancient Ones entry? It looks like it was removed around when JEnMa's entry was added. Is there a reason for that?

^ It was NOT removed. Entries for minor characters were just moved to the Characters.Hololive Minor Characters page.

Might be worth moving it to the Group As A Whole tab; pretty much all their collabs end up that way.

Granted her accent isn't very apparent, but I can definitely tell she doesn't have the "standard" English/American accent. Though I'd imagine this might be hard to notice for people who don't live in countries where English is the main language.

I'm from a country where English is the main language, and English is the only language I can speak, and I honestly haven't noticed.

I feel as though it's her intentionally speaking that way at times rather than any proper non-English accent. I can only detect it when she's thanking superchat where her "thaaankyou" sounds a little exaggerated