With all windows open, Le Chevalier D'Eon is at the halfway point, so I'd say we split it into A-L and M-Z.
BTW, the English version doesn't bother using "Le" in front of d'Eon's name, so they would probably be moved up.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
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To settle the matter of Gram's appearance in Sigurd's entry. The original design of Gram created for Fate/stay night is distinctly identified as such in Fate/Complete Materials Vol. 2 Character Materials. The manga adaptation recycled Gram's design for Merodach, also a sword of selection that Gilgamesh possessed. This makes sense as Merodach is stated to be the prototype of Gram in-universe. Both swords resemble Caliburn, but less ornate. Sigurd's depiction in FGO gives Gram a completely different design with no resemblance to its Fate/stay night. incarnation. The edit issue was due to confusion over the depiction of Gram and Merodach, mixing up which had the design first. To conclude:Gram's design came first and was reused for Merodach. FGO then redesigned it altogether.
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Should of brought it up here so my mistake on that.
The reason I put Gawain as Crippling Overspecialization was because his deck is very focused on Buster damage in such a way that makes him a bit less useful. The reason for adding the mention of being seen as a lower tier unit was because of that focus, which makes him pal in comparison to other Sabers with either skills to buff them in ways that are more then just damage, or provide some useful things like team support. Some Sabers like Fergus are similar, but Fergus has some support skills for himself that help him out, while the only skill Gawain has for a support is a one turn Guts. Basically, he's hyper focused on raw damage with little team support, no crit starts (which is bad cause he has Riding but doesn't work for him), and a situational skill.
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Right, I don't deny that Gawain's deck and skills make him fairly useless. But my point is that that's not an issue with being specialized. Siegfried has specialized issues because the only thing he can do is fight dragons. Euryale and Orion are arguably overspecialized because all they can do is fight male Sabers/Berserkers or use gimmick strategies that no one really needs anymore, namely charmlock and extremely Arts stall tactics. Gawain works just about as well against any enemy you'd throw him at and doesn't really have any particularly useful gimmicks.
Being specialized in doing damage is not really what you'd call real specialization. Most Servants fall into either a support or damage role. There are a few units that blur the line like Nero Bride or Xuanzang, but they tend to be the exception and are generally only called on to do one or the other at a time. Like if you have Bride, you either make her support another Arts Servant or deal damage herself while Xuanzang is generally primary damage and throws out a party buff on the side to go with it.
Perhaps you're thinking of something more like Tier Induced Scrappy? Because I know no one uses him even if people liked his role in the CCC event.
Yes, there aren't a lot of low rarity Sabers. But the thing is, there aren't a lot of low rarity Servants of any class. There are only three silver Berserkers, for example, which is even less than the number of Sabers. There have only been two bronze Servants added since release as well since they basically only exist to get around Japanese gambling laws. Nobody really cares about the FP gacha, so Sabers are not particularly rare.
Really, the only Rare Random Drop in regards to Servants I'd be willing to entertain is either A. a brief note on the main page about the five Servant rarities stating that SRs are a 3% drop and SSRs a 1% drop, B. we say that Angra is well below 1% chance of appearing or C. both. Sabers are not special in this respect.
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Well, the thing here is when compared other classes (not counting the Extra classes), getting a good Saber is incredibly hard to get since most of the Sabers happen to be very high rarity. Most of them are either 4* and 5* (with 3% and 1% drop rate respectfully, which is PRETTY low by gacha standards). Caesar and Bedivere are considered Simple, yet Awesome since they serve a viable alternatives their respective 5* limited counterparts (Okita and Miyamoto Musashi respectfully) and Fergus is pretty decent. Saber Giles is only low rarity Saber that is flatout bad. And let's not forget about how bad Saber Lily's kit is. Most of the other Sabers are either limited Servants (such as Miyamoto Musashi and Okita) or Story locked (Gawain, Nero Claudius, Artoria Pendragon).
Now, let's compare that to the number of lower rarity Berserkers that you can get, Lu Bu Fengxian is basically budget Heracles, Kiyohime and Darius III are good AoE Berserkers for farming, and Asterios and Eric Bloodaxes have their own unique nichenesses on their own.
Keep in mind that you can also get 3* servants from the FP gacha, but it's pretty rare. That being said, due to how hard it is to get Saint Quartz, it's incredibly hard to get a good Saber in your team. In fact, when it comes to getting 3* servants, you are more likely to get a 3* Berserker than a 3* Saber.
I hope this explains why this trope is in there, if anyone else can give some more arguments or counterarguments, we can further discuss this matter more.
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If you're talking about how many of X rarity there are, Sabers have 12 SRs and 8 SSRs. Lancers have 11/7, Archers 11/7, Berserkers 9/7, Assassins 10/7, Casters 11/8 and Riders 8/6. Two Saber, Assassin, Caster welfares, three Archer and Rider and only one Lancer/Berserker. So you are actually more likely to get a gold Saber from the gacha than any other class, especially Rider with their measly 4/2 in the general pool compared to Sabers' 8/3. So if the 3%/1% thing matters, it only pertains to getting SRs and SSRs in general, which I agreed with above. Berserkers and Riders are the ones that are seemingly hard to get going purely by number available. The number of story locks for each class is pretty close, as are the limiteds.
As far as rarities below SR, then yeah there are slightly fewer Sabers than the other classes. But it's close and the expectation for all Servants below SR is that you will have them all at NP5 apart from the story locks and Angra.
Sabers are not actually rarer than the other classes. They don't qualify.
Okay, about the pronouns for d'Eon, could we discuss that before making that kind of big change to the page? As Arawn said, use of the singular 'they' to avoid using gendered language is quite common. I prefer to keep it as it was.
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I prefer using actual gender-neutral writing instead of taking a dump on syntax and calling it a day. Singular they in this context is neither common nor appropriate and i'm getting real fed up with people forcing it
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Just a note, the official translation uses "they" when referring to d'Eon.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Since the release of the NA version.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Outside of downloading old files and datamining them, i have no idea how to verify this. Where do they hire these jokers
Here's an example
. This is more prominent in d'Eon's profile, though.
EDIT: Time for most ghetto screencap to proof a point
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"They" as a singular pronoun has existed for centuries, and in recent years has been utilized as the go-to gender politically correct neutral pronoun in place of "it" or "s/he". Most grammar books I've seen were written prior to the latter development and the increased cultural focus on political correctness, and thus don't recognize it.
Regardless of personal preferences, "they" is what the game uses.
Can either be politically correct or objectively correct. A shame the former gets chosen over the latter. I got a vague recollection that d'Eon wasn't referred to as "they" in the profile before, not that it matters now
When I say Cleopatra is shocked at his appearance, I'm not referring to her my room lines. Your party hesitates to introduce her to Caesar again because they know she's going to freak out and she actually faints the first time she sees him at the end of the Halloween event. She still loves him, though, and he's still popular. That's why he's listed under Kavorka Man and not Chick Magnet. He's not conventionally attractive.
Building on that, it feels like you're downplaying the fact that he's overweight when it's a really common joke about his character throughout the story. It might be a tasteless joke and you might be offended, but that doesn't change how the story portrays him.
Blah, I don't mean to come off as argumentative for once, it just kind of feels like you're not getting the point of the character, at least not as I understand it. To me, he's supposed to be impressive and cool despite his appearance whereas you seem to be viewing him as impressive and cool regardless of his appearance.
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Even if it is the my room that's not a proper translation from Enjin Sosei. She most certainly is shocked and isn't happy about the body despite her love for him.
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Fun Personified is defined as a character who is an acknowledged part of canon but is only used in side stories, generally less serious ones because the characters themselves are jokes. Okita, for example, is Type Moon mocking itself over the constant use of Saberfaces and genderflips. She's one of the main characters of a gag manga and frequently coughs up blood whenever she tries to do anything cool. Okita would never fit into a storyline like Camelot or Babylonia.
Shoo Out the Clowns would be like if Okita was following the protagonist up through, say, London and then she disappeared halfway through so the story could get serious and focus on Solomon. Or if Xuanzang was booted from the plot of Camelot near the end rather than having a Heroic Sacrifice that emphasized the better parts of her character rather than her being a dork.
Oh, and just so we're clear, Okita is one of my favorite characters. I was most definitely not bashing her.
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Looking at it I agree with you. I'm not sure what character bashing they were referring to but, I suppose it could be reworded to mention her skill. Ultimately i'll leave to your call, but I agree it shouldn't have been deleted.
For reference, this sentence
"She looks like Artoria for no reason whatsoever, is a completely unnecessary genderflip", can be taken as a bashing for Gender Flip Servants. At least for me. If i read it wrong, my mistake.
Perhaps it could be reworded to make it clearer that she is a tongue-in-cheek spoof of the abundance of Saberfaces and Gender Flipped characters, which is lampshaded in-universe.
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Okay, so it looks like the Saber page is long enough that attempting to edit it freezes or crashes my browser, which means it's obviously time to split it in two. But that's a bit hard when attempting to do so, well, freezes or crashes my browser. Can anyone keep the edit page open long enough to at least get the process started?
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