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RallyBot2 Since: Nov, 2013
3rd Aug, 2020 11:55:55 AM

Just like any other work with pre-release material, anything not from the released work needs to be cited.

The correct solution is to comment out everything that doesn't have a citation today, uncommenting what's actually in the work once it comes out.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
3rd Aug, 2020 12:00:41 PM

Thing is, the leak is one released work—Meyer made it officially available.

RallyBot2 Since: Nov, 2013
3rd Aug, 2020 12:03:23 PM

It serves the same purpose as officially-released preview chapters. (I'm not going to split hairs.)

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
3rd Aug, 2020 12:06:06 PM

So let's say that I do comment them out, and add a disclaimer saying something like "please only add examples that apply to the finished novel." Would that work?

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
3rd Aug, 2020 12:18:11 PM

Section off draft-exclusive tropes into another folder?

Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
3rd Aug, 2020 12:20:03 PM

Once published, if anything from the book differs from the manuscript, the entry can say, "In the preview manuscript, [explanation of trope]", like we do for previews/trailers/demos in other works.

3rd Aug, 2020 12:32:39 PM

Honestly depending on how big the page is I'd just move it to /Script and call it a day.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
3rd Aug, 2020 12:35:17 PM

Isn't /Script for movie scripts and play scripts, not pre-release novels?

StFan Since: Jan, 2001
3rd Aug, 2020 12:50:03 PM

^The Script/ namespace is flexible; most namespaces are, by force. Close enough is good enough.

Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
3rd Aug, 2020 12:59:28 PM

This is assuming there are a lot of changes from preview to book.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
3rd Aug, 2020 01:22:03 PM

^*^ Is it flexible enough to cover something that is not a script in any sense?

Serac Since: Mar, 2016
3rd Aug, 2020 01:55:51 PM

Personally, I would keep the manuscript in Literature/ and just disambiguate it by year, or with a (Manuscript) if it was released this year.

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
3rd Aug, 2020 02:16:08 PM

Literature.Midnight Sun

I would folderize it for now, that will make it easy to split it off later if need be, and relatively easy to merge if that's called for. There's only 10 examples anyway, plus 2 commented out zces.

ImmiThrax Since: Apr, 2020
3rd Aug, 2020 03:18:36 PM

There's also the unrelated Series.Midnight Sun (only 1 non-ZCE example, nobody has added anything to it since 2016), Film.Midnight Sun, and VideoGame.Midnight Sun, so the subpages that aren't already a mess might become so very soon.

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3rd Aug, 2020 07:40:03 PM

And then we make Main.Midnight Sun as a disambig, right?

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Adept (Holding A Herring)
3rd Aug, 2020 07:44:10 PM

I think it would be easier to split it the same way we split trailers/promotional material vs. full movies (into different folders, but the same page). Both the trailers and manuscript are "official" releases, but there may or may not be large differences between the "pre-release" materials and the final product (due to things like Missing Trailer Scene and Trailers Always Lie)

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
4th Aug, 2020 03:17:21 PM

Finished moving the other work pages. Now, two questions:

Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
4th Aug, 2020 06:37:23 PM

I'm leaning towards moving Literature.Midnight Sun to Literature.Midnight Sun Twilight, anyone else have thoughts on this?

ImmiThrax Since: Apr, 2020
4th Aug, 2020 07:00:24 PM

Thank you for taking care of the other ones!

That would fit with VideoGame.Midnight Sun Fire Emblem being named after the Franchise rather than the creator, but IDK what's usual for these situations.

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Adept (Holding A Herring)
4th Aug, 2020 07:57:11 PM

^ I thought it's more common to use creator's names for title disambig, and franchise names are used for fanfics with the same name.

Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
4th Aug, 2020 10:22:35 PM

VideoGame.Midnight Sun Fire Emblem is a fanwork.

For the book, the reason I'm leaning toward the series name is because it's more known than the creator's name.

ImmiThrax Since: Apr, 2020
5th Aug, 2020 02:33:58 PM

The cover surprisingly emphasizes her name, then smaller that she's the author of the Twilight novels, rather than a big ol' A TWILIGHT NOVEL. I wonder if publishing-wise it's considered a spinoff or standalone or something rather than part of the series.

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
5th Aug, 2020 02:52:46 PM

I haven't been able to find an image of the back cover.

ImmiThrax Since: Apr, 2020
5th Aug, 2020 04:37:33 PM

Her name isn't enormous compared to the novel title, but it is more prominent than that marketing... line... thing. A different version of the cover didn't even mention Twilight, just "international bestselling author".

I'm now leaning Literature.Midnight Sun Meyer since it's a "companion" to the Twilight series rather than one of the novels within that series.

I have Bile Fascination so I can help with moving tropes to the novel folder that do occur there— never read the manuscript, though.

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
5th Aug, 2020 05:52:13 PM

There's captures of it on Wayback Machine.

ImmiThrax Since: Apr, 2020
5th Aug, 2020 06:02:30 PM

On second (or third or more) thought— since there's only one (... for now) one literature page called Midnight Sun, now the remaining subpages are all relevant to it instead of the other media types, and it has a few dozen wicks... Eh!

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