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There's so many examples of "creator that did really adult work also became well known, perhaps even more so for family friendly affairs" on that page I feel like it could almost become it's it's own trope
Edited by CryptidProductions
That's valid use of Bleached Underpants according to the current trope page, so the example should be added back to hololive. If you don't think "creator previously made porn" should count as Bleached Underpants, the trope needs to be taken to the Trope Repair Shop.
Keet cleanup
^ How? The trope's description is all about characters and works that have connection to older porn works, not just "creator previously made porn". The laconic page even focus solely on works.
(it might indeed need TRS indeed. I start to think that it's actually a Trivia, but lets focus on the current issue)
Edited by Kuruni
I'm with Kuruni on this one. The trope is about when a creator makes porn, and then either releases a cleaned-up version of the same work, or makes a sequel or new work in the same franchise (or possibly just re-using some elements of the porn work) which is not porn.
So it's about a work, a franchise or a character getting cleaned up, not about a creator making both porn and non-porn (which is not uncommon and close to PSOC).
The trope description is written in a slightly confusing way, though, since it switches between discussing the work and discussing the creator. It could perhaps do with some clarification.
Edited by GnomeTitan
I would definitely not call this PSOC, because the contrast between someone's past works being pornographic and their current work being SFW feels noteworthy, but yeah, this is TRS or at least Trope Talk stuff.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Yeah the trope that this is supposed to be, as described by Kuruni and GnomeTitan, is an actual trope to describe that for whatever reason (most likely monetary, in that sfw works can reach a wider audience and be distributed more / merchandised more), a creator takes a previous work / elements from them and cleans it up. Though how this is different from Tamer and Chaster, i have no idea.
The misuse however is definitely more of a trivia item. I'd take it to TRS and personally advocate for a split into a new trope and / or for all of those examples to be moved to related tropes listed: Old Shame, I Was Young and Needed the Money etc
Edited by amathieu13
If the trope is intended to also include creators that start with more adult work and than transition to mainstream/family friendly stuff that gets more exposure later on then the page isn't clear about that and needs to edited
As of now it frames the trope as being for specific works where either a character from an earlier porn work where it either has characters that originated from far more adult works in the cast or is wholesale based on something far more adult
Like Fate/Stay starting out as an x-rated eroge but was turned into a mainstream work when the censored console ports became insanely popular
I saw this on hololive
I removed it on the ground that Bleached Underpants is about the creator toned down their works while the example is "He Also Did NSFW". Then I check the trope page itself to see if the entry also present there. But surprise... many on-page examples are just that "The creator also did porn". I read the trope description again, and while it does extend to the creators reuse their characters from NSFW works, I don't see how it could include "The creator did a completely unrelate NSFW work."
Here's a whole folder from the trope page.
Should such examples removed, or I miss something?
Edited by Kuruni