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openTrope for when people disown a person from their work, but still enjoy said work.
Basically the meme where people say Hatsune Miku made Minecraft after the creator made some unpleasant posts, causing the fanbase and developers to disown him.
openTrope for when a character is secretly proud of someone
I'm thinking of when someone like Da Chief acts all authoritative/hot-blooded around the protagonist, bossing them around and whatnot. But other characters will remark that the protag is Chief's favorite. In videogames, interacting with NP Cs will reveal that he/she talks frequently of you, praising you/informing them of your prowess. I've looked into Tough Love and its similar tropes (Sink-or-Swim Mentor, Knight Templar Parent), but I'm looking for something less of a "parent" and more like a "co-worker" thing. I know that Sink-or-Swim Mentor is supposed to be for non-familial relationships, but it's too extreme.
Edited by ShirokeMushroomopen"More Than That" Gag
- Character: "How much did you see?"
- Character #2: "Like 20 seconds,"
- Character: "You're lying,"
- Character #2: "Okay, 45 seconds"
- Character: "You're lying,"
- Character #2: "Fine, a whole minute,"
openTrue Art Is Painful?
None of the four tropes under "True Art" fit this, but is there another trope where an artist character believes that true art has to be unpleasant in some way? It doesn't appear to be True Art Is Angsty, since that refers to the artwork itself. This sort of person believes the consumer of the art has to suffer instead (or suffer too).
In the example I have in mind, the character is a Mad Artist chef who purposely makes his food taste terrible or is outright poisonous, because he feels that's part of his statement of an artist, and he looks down on any chef who doesn't do this. It is Played for Laughs though.
Edited by ZombieAladdinopenAesop trope for unusual aesop? Live Action TV
Is there An Aesop trope for this:
- In Legends of Tomorrow the episode "I, Ava" didn't have An Aesop, but some fans read into it there was An Aesop between the lines of "Don't follow the herd. Ava's being herself, and although a clone, isn't a clone, if that makes sense".
- In The Blacklist some fans of the show saw there was a Family-Unfriendly Aesop of "If you're good at an illegal skill like forgery, just hide it from family and try and be perfect" in the episode "Victoria Fenberg", about Victoria herself, even though, as a general rule The Blacklist does not have An Aesop, with exceptions for certain episodes.
Do we have such a trope for where the fandom sees An Aesop in an episode even though there's no Word of God confirming that An Aesop takes place?
Looking for these so I can add it to YMMV pages for both shows.
Edited by Merseyuser1openBones in hair
A common throw away gag in which you can see a character have bone where they don't belong through some X-Ray or electrocution.
openClassifying a villian's morality and a few minor other minor things. Videogame
NOTE: I posted this in the wrong section originally, so I'm just placing it in the right section this time. Also, it was much longer than I thought it would be. Some TLDR's are present throughtout.
Okay. I am having trouble categorizing a villain's morality. This villain (I'll call him "EX") starts off the game by capturing the main hero and then setting off to nab, torture and kill 3 of his friends in sadistic and fucked up ways, as well as many other residents of his hometown. You might think that cinches it there.
But progress through the game shows he actually seems to have good intentions: the normal "game over" ending has EX telling the main hero that he is killing them to spare another, greater threat (who I'll just call "???" since that's what "the threat's" few textboxes use, and he doesn't have an official name) from nabbing them first, and EX also justifies it by saying that when he kills one of his friends, "they are the same person they once were but stronger", whereas if this threat nabs one of his friends, they will become a mindless being that only wants to kill (already demonstrated on a 4th, nonplayable friend of the protagonist earlier.) and will eventually destroy the entire world, whereas he only wants the protagonist's hometown to form an army against this threat. Apparently the threat of ??? is so vast that EX goes as far as to destroy all of existence period when the cards fall into ???'s favor in the worst ending (even though, as ??? points out, that will kill him too), simply so that ??? and "his damn people" die. EX ends his conversation with the protagonist by telling him that he needs to form an army to drive ??? from the world entirely.
TLDR: EX seemingly wants to kill the protagonist's friends only to spare them from an even worse villain, and possibly recruit them into an army to fend off ??? and his army.
So this would pretty solidly make EX actually a hero in disguise. Yet, he still frequently does some rather messed up/unnecessary things to the heroes. Most notably among these is EX granting one of the protagonist's friends (the protagonist's brother) temporary immortality, making him use it to genocide the entirety of another species population close to said friend under the guise that it is necessary to save the world, then EX reveals that he just made him do that for fun, openly mocks the protagonist's brother for thinking otherwise, and then tries to kill him, and potentially succeeds depending on whether or not the player successfully complete the resulting level. There's no beneficial reason for him to have done it, and it appears to have been done purely to torment the protagonist's brother, as his dialogue strongly suggests he's elated.
TLDR: He also does cruel, sadistic things to the protagonists that serve no purpose other than his enjoyment.
Him seemingly doing everything for the greater good/to save creation as we know it, yet EX also doing all these bad things for seemingly no reason makes it really hard for me to pinpoint where he lies on the morality scale. Any help here (and suggested tropes to define his placing on the morality scale) would be appreciated.
On that note, I'm also not sure what tropes fit ???'s role in the story. Some quick details: While we see some of ???'s henchmen in action (Some mooks make frequent appearances in one of the 3 friend's set of levels, including a boss fight against the 4th possessed nonplayable friend mentioned above depending on circumstances. None of them are directly stated to be from ???'s army, but that is most likely the case given their color scheme and EX's confirmation that the 4th friend was taken by ???), but ??? himeself plays a surprisingly minor role and is barely seen at all. But he isn't The Ghost or anything as he does have a few full cutscene-only appearances depending on the story branch/ending. His only ingame appearance is in the cutscene in the worst ending, where all he does is briefly jeer on EX about how his victory is imminent before EX destroys all of reality as mentioned above.
That aside, ??? is only seen one other place: On the boot up screen, where he gives a quick speech to the player. He says that EX is lying about everything he will tell the player character in the "game over" ending (specifically claiming that EX's statements about 'everything being the same' are crap and that he's trying to invade the universe instead of just the protagonist's home village.) But ??? assures the player he isn't nice either. ("And don’t think I am nice. None of us are nice.") I bring this up because it further complicates EX's place on the villain/morality scale (if ??? is even correct). Even worse because nothing even proves if ??? is lying or not (Though the story events, especially the worst ending, support EX's version of the story slightly more, most of it, and the plot in general is vague and open-ended, one thing that makes it such a ride but also makes assigning tropes so damn difficult.)
TLDR: ??? only has two physical appearances, is never fought, barely anything is known about him, but isn't The Ghost because he has those physical appearances. His title screen dialogue also casts doubt on if he is truly the greater threat, so even though in game events make it slightly more likely ???'s lying, there's still reasonable doubt that prevents me from labeling him the Greater-Scope Villain, and his presence is important enough that it feels wrong to just label him a minor character.
Sorry for the fucking novel. I didn't think it'd be anywhere near this long. Hopefully the TLD Rs are helpful.
openMike Wazowski'd
Is there a trope that is the running gag in Monster's Inc where Mike is always covered in picture and video?
openTechnical Suicide
Literally killing yourself through time travel/alternate universe/some other nonsense
openDub fixes a plot hole
Is there a trope for the translation fixing a plot hole that existed in the original language?
openNot Afraid to Die to an extreme
Is there a trope similar to Killing Intent, where people can sense that a determinator is literally not afraid to die so much that they instill fear/courage?
Edited by bruhmomentoopenSomething awful is happening ... call you back.
The protagonist is walking along the street talking to someone on his mobile phone. He turns the corner and sees a pack of goons beating up an old lady. Instead of telling the person on the other end to call the police or send backup, or even explain what is happening, he simple says "call you back", hangs up and runs in to help. Basically any situation where a character abruptly hangs up the phone without saying a word of explanation when facing a dangerous or suspicious situation.
Edited by TVRepairmanopenHard life+ no patience for whining
Is there a trope for when someone has had a really hard life and, as a result, has little patience for people who they consider whiny or spoiled?
openContrast between two characters
This example was removed from WesternAnimation.Toy Story 4, but it seems like a trope. What trope would it be?
- Duke Caboom is this to how Buzz was in the first film: in both cases, their own individual toy commercials resulted in a reality check and caused internal strife about who they are. With Buzz, seeing his own commercial makes him realize he is in fact a toy (and, in particular, is not a flying toy), and attempting to prove the commercial wrong by flying resulted in him falling down a flight of stairs and having his arm pop off. With Duke, it's implied he knew from the start he was a toy, but when his owner, Rejan, tried and failed to get him to jump like in his commercial, he got so upset he threw Duke away on Boxing Day, the same day he got him, and this incident wound up scarring Duke for years and instilling an uncertainty of ever making a stunt jump ever again.
openAbusive foster parents
Is there a trope for abusive foster parents besides Fostering for Profit and Abusive Parents?
openPet thinks they're the master
What trope would this be? For a real life example, cats seem to think this, as the reason they rub their face on you is to mark you as their own.
openEverybody Singing in a Splitscreen Box Music
Is there a trope for a this? Seen It a Million Times - the characters are all singing a song together, or at least appear in a song sequence even if they aren't actually singing, and they are shown in a series of boxes together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHDBq85J37g - great example starting at 0:50.
I am looking for a possible trope for this quote. I think there is one that it fits for but I can't quite think of it at the moment. If anyone has any suggestions it would be very appreciated.