Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

It's made clear it's not Morningside.

Is it made clear Jody's not being metaphorical, that he's not doing a version of That Man Is Dead for Morningside?

Btw, with Adria from Diablo III, I hear she returns in the expansion. Does she do anything worth mentioning in her current entry?

ACW, can you move the Pride example (the one about the male lion) on the Monster.Live Action TV sandbox to the folder under P?

Yeah, Jody is definitely not being metaphorical. Morningside is either a different being or something is wearing his skin and given how the Tall Man just sends out replicas if a body dies...

And nah, all Adria really does? Look for Diablo, turn into a demon and get killed by you.

If anyone tries to list Malthael, who's a genocidal nut, don't let them. He's more a Well-Intentioned Extremist here

Done. You can do it too BTW, I created a folder of entries that are a Wall of Text. Any way they can be condensed (especially Marlo and Moriarty)?

edited 8th Apr '14 8:32:12 AM by ACW

Honestly, and people may object to this, but I honestly don't think any of the Disgaea villains qualify.

• Disgaea 1: Vulcanus, while admittedly the darkest villain of the first game, is nonetheless treated like a complete joke by the rest of the cast, to the point that his punishment in the good endings is being forced to attend a seminar on how to be nice.

• Disgaea 2: Fake Zenon is a borderline Generic Doomsday Villain whose major crimes are all offscreen. Real Zenon has a pretty hefty Freudian Excuse (She was betrayed, used and abandoned by anyone she trusted).
• Disgaea 3: Aurum admits at the end that he just wants to die in battle because he's sick and tired of the Human World constantly dragging him out of retirement for their own selfish ends.

If that's the case, we can snip them.

Aurum cut. Tycho still there for now (ditto Queen).

Other issues...Alice Madness Returns needs fixing...GUN as well. And Heavy Rain. And Red Dead Redemption. And Zone of the Enders

Other touch ups needed: SHODAN from System Shock, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness...Yuriev of Xenosaga needs cutting, and William Kincaid of X-Men Legends/

Some entries need a serious despoiler.

Okay, so much for locking Saturday

We agreed to get rid of Junko? Huh.

edited 8th Apr '14 11:35:18 AM by ACW

The vote was well against her VN version

Huh. Okay then.

I cut Tycho. Now we just need the other stuff. Lighty, I'm deputizing you <-Deputy badge

I cut Yuriev...Then read the writeup. Really?

Yes, really Found the discussion.

edited 8th Apr '14 1:02:26 PM by ACW

Would Izzy/Lady X from the season 7 finale of Criminal Minds count? She's portrayed as an extreme sadist, even by the show's standards, kills purely for pleasure, and attempts to Mind Rape and then murder JJ's son just because he reminds her of her father.

How many kills are onscreen?

BTW, for VG, feel free to unspoil what you will (though the Asuras Wrath one should stay spoiled IMHO).

She implied at one point she was sexually abused by her grandfather. At least, that's how I interpreted that line. She was in a situation where she'd have no reason to lie, too.

I found her boss worse than her, to be honest.

edited 8th Apr '14 1:26:32 PM by HamburgerTime

@24030: Good write-up for Gus.

@24041: In that case, I'd be alright with including the Tall Man.

@24052: That would most likely be a valid Freudian Excuse then. What does her boss do?

Was reading the Yu Yu Hakusho page and was wondering if I could make slight alterations to Elder Toguro's entry. Nothing major, just wanted to include bits about his fight with Kuwabara, his eating Muroto alive, and aiding two attempts to open a portal from the demon world into the human world, allowing demons to overrun and massacre humans. If nothing else, I feel helping open a portal to the demon world is most important to mention since it would result in the most carnage and bloodshed. Here's the extended version of the entry.

• Most famous is the Elder Toguro. In contrast to his honorable Noble Demon younger brother, Toguro freely admits himself to be a treacherous sadist devoid of honor. In his first appearance, he kills Yukina's only friends, a pair of bluebirds, with great relish and in his first match at the Dark Tournament, he spares two fighters and promises to let one join Team Toguro. When one begs for his life, Toguro kills him...and then kills the other because he just hates keeping his promises. After the death of Genkai, Toguro uses his powers to make a mockery of her in front of everyone, particularly bringing it up to try to break Kuwabara's spirit during their fight, after he had already beaten and impaled Kuwabara repeatedly. His crowning moment of evil was letting the psychic Gourmet devour him... and then he tortuously devoured him from the inside out, delighting in his pain all the while. Later on he would use the Gourmet's powers to eat Yusuke's ally, Murota, alive. All of these crimes were committed while Elder Toguro was helping in two attempts to open a portal from the demon world into the human world which would lead to the humans being overrun and massacred by the demons.

Also, I'd like to vote to remove Gonzo Tarukane on the grounds that he fails the heinous standard. Here's how he ranks up compared to other villains: Rando murdered 99 masters after learning their techniques and is going for his 100th kill in Genkai; Sakyo tortured animals for fun and is attempting to open a portal from the demon world into the human world just because he wants to see what will happen; Younger Toguro, despite being a Noble Demon, sucked the souls out of half a stadium filled with people; and the Sensui Seven are a group of seven people trying to open another portal from the demon world into the human world because they believe Humans Are Bastards and deserve to be killed. In contrast, Gonzo tortures one girl to make her cry money. Other than trying to kill the heroes that's pretty much it. As an incredibly wealthy man who knows about the existence of demons and the supernatural, he has the resources to do much more but doesn't. In short, not nearly heinous enough to qualify.

edited 8th Apr '14 3:02:05 PM by OccasionalExister

She kills a security guard at the beginning, comes dangerously close to killing a young girl before deciding to kill the girl's father at the very last minute, manipulates the Big Bad Wannabe into killing two more people, kills at least four people in the bomb she set off to cover her escape, kills a medic after forcing him to treat Will's gunshot wounds (which she only had done so Will could be "leverage"), kills the Big Bad Wannabe when he's no longer of use to her, and would have killed Henry Joreou if JJ hadn't subdued her in time.

Its made clear that she gets off on her killings, as shown by whenever someone dies, her face lights up in ecstasy. She also never goes directly for a killing shot, instead choosing to shoot them in the guy so they die as slowly and painfully as possible.

edited 8th Apr '14 3:18:44 PM by SomeNewGuy

Tarukane is a member of the Black-Black club. In the anime, he participates in horrific gene-splicing research and also in the horrific torture of demons with his fellow members (in fact, in the anime, Tarukane founded the Black-Black club), so that orgy of depravity falls in him as well

Plus, remember that Rando's killings all occurred entirely offscreen. When he does show up at the end of his arc, he's actually fairly generic, at least when compared to future villains.

Isn't she in a relationship with another member of the gang though? In any case, I don't think she comes close to meeting the heinous standard for the series. She's well behind the likes of The Reaper, or even single episode villains like Cy Bradstone when it comes, not just to bodycount, but pain inflicted on her victims.

I dunno, its not made clear if she and Matthew are in a relationship, and even if they are, there's the question of if they're both sincere, or if one or both is using the other to achieve their own goals, which is also left vague.

Also, in regards to Matthew being worse, I have to disagree. Since he was introduced so late into the two parter, he doesn't really end up doing anything, and when Hotch kills him, his bodycount is exactly zero.

edited 8th Apr '14 3:32:31 PM by SomeNewGuy

I looked back the pages and am still confused: is the discussion over the Practical Incarnation from Planescape Torment a vote or a question over a rewrite?

I can give more information on the game: in addition to deliberately turning Deionarra into a restless ghost, he basically treated all of his other party members like crap, including two of which are in the current incarnation's (i.e. the player's) party: Morte and Dakkon. He manipulated Dakkon (by approaching him when he was at his lowest point) into making a lifelong oath of loyalty to him (conveniently leaving out the fact that he's immortal), effectively enslaving him. Dakkon is from a former Slave Race whose entire culture is about never being slaves again. There's also a memory of him savagely beating Morte in a rage when he can't answer the question he freed him for because of Ghost Amnesia.

edited 8th Apr '14 3:39:30 PM by Crowley

Don't forget how he essentially Mind Raped Deionarra into falling into Mad Love with him. That act was so twisted, that when the Nameless One remembers it, he is horrified to the point of a Heroic BSoD regardless of alignment.

@24055: I forget, was Gonzo ever shown participating in the torture? If so, that should really be mentioned in his entry, because torturing a girl on it's own doesn't sound heinous enough. If it's not shown... well, if he's never shown personally engaging in torture then I don't think the actions of other club members should be held against him. If there's no evidence he personally tortured demons, then I'd say he'd fail the heinous standard when compared with other members of the club who did engage in torture For the Evulz. Of course, I tend not to find enablers as culpable as the actual criminals. From what I remember, Gonzo himself seemed more interested in gambling and money than torture.

@24056: Despite Offscreen Villainy not counting towards a character being a Complete Monster, it's still taken into account when determining the heinous standard of a work. So even if Rando isn't shown killing 99 people, those murders would still be taken into account when determining the heinous standard of a work.

24054: Why doesn't she kill the girl?