During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Crainiac, Corpuscle, Gristle, Waverly and Arkham
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Banshee
to Arkham
Dr. Arkham.
The Draftsman of Doom
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Wild Child
Arkham.
Showtime!
Yes to Arkham, and the Ghostbusters trio (Craniac/Corpsicle/Gristle). Also, popping in real quick for a quick question: a while back I reserved the discussion date for the final Shovel Knight expansion King of Cards back when it was still stuck in development hell, only for someone to have deleted it at some point. I'm not mad since all I had to do was quickly re-add it, but I'm curious: who deleted it and why?
Also, another thing: I said I'd be late with discussing Bug Fables since I thought I'd be getting the game around Christmastime. Problem is, I was going to buy the Switch version... which apparently isn't coming out until around early 2020. For some reason. I doubt anyone cares since like, probably no one here played the PC release, but does anyone mind if we push back the discussion date to accomodate the console release?
Popping in just to say (a little unnecessarily might I add) that the postgame villains in Sword/Shield Sordward and Shielbert do not count either. Too goofy and they get redeemed as does Chairman Rose. So yeah... We're stuck with only three Canon Pokemon Game CMs.
Edited by Klavice on Dec 16th 2019 at 12:09:43 PM
Goku Black
Arkham
Banshee
The wifi here sucks
@Fried, the page history shows that AurstinDR cut it, though both G-Editor and Siverblade2 apparently cut it and replaced it beforehand, it was likely an accident on Austin's part.
Also Arkham and Banshee
Edited by papyru30 on Dec 16th 2019 at 2:23:50 AM
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Meh, weak to Banshee.
to Arkham, slightly weaker to Banshee
Happy belated Birthday Hamburger Time
I'll start drafting something for the Feet Of Clay proposal sometime this week.
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Oh right, happy B Day HT!
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Arkham-son (hey, if they're gonna do it, so am I 
).
to Arkham. Abstain on Banshee.
Happy birthday HamburgerTime.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Goku Black
My In Death stuff.
- David Palmer is an intelligent murderer who seeks to understand how people are effected by pain for both his intellectual curiosity and personal enjoyment. To this end, Palmer kidnaps people and tortures them to near death before reviving them with his electrical torture system and then repeating the process over and over again till their bodies give in with one victim lasting three days. After being sent to prison by Eve, Palmer swears revenge against her and the others at his trial and upon escaping starts to pick them off one by one, with Palmer taking Eve's friend Mira hostage and threatening to torture her to death if Eve doesn't replace her.
- Dr. Michael Waverly, the head of the AMA murdered one of his fellow doctors to ensure that his lifesaving organ transplant system for the poor could not be implemented. A vile Mad Doctor who views himself as a god, Waverly experiments on the homeless for his new organ repair research before killing them by cutting out said organ in one case the woman was butchered to the point of bleeding to death. When the police begin to investigate, Waverly threatens the lives of the pregnant wife and five year old son of one of the policeman and when Eve is sent to investigate, arranges to have her mentally destroyed by framing her for the murder of a rival of hers who he killed by breaking every single bone in the victims body. When Eve gets close to the truth, Waverly starts to kill off anyone who could implicate him including planning to off the wife of one of his friends before declaring his intent to take over the organ transplant system and allow him to purge the world of the poor and downtrodden who he views as "scum".
- Rayleen Straffo is an adorable 10 year old sociopath who broke the neck of her two year old brother at the age of seven because of jealousy of him. Rayleen has always been bloodthirsty and murdered and old woman for fun later beofre poisoning her kindly teacher for giving her an A- on an assignment by melting his organs in an excruciating death and intentionally traumatizing her best friend as a result. Killing and framing others, Rayleen eventually poisons her own mother due to viewing her as weak and to act her as scapegoat for her murders making her the youngest but no less vile killers of the series.
- Dr. Jonah Delacourt Wilson is a scientist whose evil spans decades even going back to the Urban-Wars era in his quest to shape humanity to his will. Along with the. more sympathetic Dr. Ivcoe, Jonah used the DNA of deceased Urban-War era orphans in order to illegally clone them and then mold them into Sex Slaves for willing buyers, using them as forced incubators for his latest clones, or creating them to be expendable spies or soldiers like Deena Flavia for the highest bidders. After Deena begins to take out the leaders of his organization including Ivcoe, Wilson is revived as a clone himself along with Ivcoe who he promptly murders for having second thoughts. Wilson kidnaps Deena's baby daughter and uses her as a hostage before decdoing to blow up the cloning facility with every child in it out of spite at being denied victory.
- Jerald "Jerry" Lewis is vile nobody who snaps one day and brutally kills both his parents. Jerry begins to pick off anyone who he views to have even slightly offended him before torturing and beating them before killing them even threathing to murder a woman's small dog in front of her. Intending to unleash a wave of torture, rape and gruesome murders on people who've slightly offended him in one case for not picking him to be in the little league baseball team when he was a kid, Jerry plans to eventually rent out his murder talents for any paying customers. A complete egotsist who refuses to accept any responsibility for anything he's done, Jerry plans to brutally whip and beat to death his best friend and is completely happy to bask in the wave of attention his murders receive.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hmm, looks like the trilogy is unofficially called the "German cinema trilogy", so Arkham can go after Lutor on the Superman page (Lutor doesn't need to go on the Batman page).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Errrm, bout Lutor...
Okay, so I'm wondering if 11 didn't leave out a few, shall we say, pertinent details when proposing him...
Goku Black
What is it......?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
What? Oh this can't be good.
Namely that Lutor's feelings for Marta may not be so easily dismissed. While he did murder her in a fit of rejected rage, he comments he 'loved her no less when he killed her.' This is something I'd kind of ignore if not for his dying word being Marta's name.
I'm kind of "ugh" about the "murder your unrequited crush" being played with any level of sympathy for...obvious reasons, but Lutor's final moment should be scrutinized a touch more and 11 didn't even mention it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hmm, that is a bit problematic.
BTW, looking at Wiki, I'm guessing nobody from the Wonder Woman story's bad enough?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Correct.
