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papyru30 The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru from Colorado Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
The Powerfu Popula Prestigiou Papyru
Aug 13th 2019 at 9:33:31 AM

I disagree that the traffickers don't stand out. While the Branwen Tribe has no issues with trafficking, the fact that they only do it once, as opposed to the novel villains who have been trafficking people for a while, makes them stand out even more since thus far they're the only characters to actively participate in human trafficking. At least that's what I think.

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AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 13th 2019 at 9:41:53 AM

I mean if it's one occasion that they did commit trafficking, I'd be more lenient to say that the ones in After the Fall keep...despite being premature cases.

Why you little-!
Kylotrope The Mercenary
The Mercenary
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:25:05 AM

Umm.....I'm keeping my Yes to the RWBY Duo. The Branwen tribe holds one rich girl hostage(Wich isn't really "Trafficking". They weren't selling her to the highest bidder, they were just gonna make her family pay for her to be returned) and all their worst crimes are offscreen. Pretty much the only crimes we see them Commit is kidnapping Weiss and later fighting with Yang

Edited by Kylotrope on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:39:48 AM

Does it hurt? Knowing just how much DEATH you brought to this planet?
therealjackieboy Fast and Bulbous from Austin, TX Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Fast and Bulbous
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:27:36 AM

Last week, I proposed a guy from a Batman story. Just yesterday, Scrags and Ravok teamed up to cover an unfilmed superheroine script. What do you get when you combine these together? Why a candidate from an unfilmed Batman fan script, of course.

What Is the Work?

Batman: Saviour is a fan script by Paul M. Wolford from 2004. It’s alright, though it does include a scene where Batman calls Superman a “Pussy” because he doesn’t harm criminals, so that's something.

A shitload of criminals have escaped Arkham Asylum and are terrorizing Gotham, and only Batman (plus his BFF Commissioner Gordon) can stop them and save the city. And no, Joker was not responsible for the mess. No, it’s someone we don’t really talk a whole lot about on this thread.

Who Is he?

Mr. Zsasz (never once referred to by his first name, Victor) is the main villain of the script, and a psychopathic, bloodthirsty, demented Serial Killer who carves a scar onto his body for every life he’s taken.

What has he done?

With over 150 cuts and scars crawling all over his body by the time the story starts, Zsasz dresses up like a street magician and tricks children into telling him where their parents live, whereupon he breaks into their houses and kills the families, children included. Hell, not even babies are safe, as a dead infant is found in a crib after one of Zsasz’s murders. Sent to Arkham Asylum, Zsasz makes a deal with the asylum’s owner, Jeremiah Arkham, to release Zsasz in order to get closer to studying what makes Batman tick. But as Zsasz says, “Things change,” as he escapes from his cell earlier than expected, murders Jeremiah’s assistant Ahms Labarba, and releases every prisoner in Arkham Asylum out into the streets of Gotham. These criminals, including the likes of Killer Croc and Man Bat, go on a crime spree, murdering countless innocents. Zsasz himself kills about 20 people during the breakout.

Before he was sentenced to Arkham Asylum, Zsasz cuts a deal with Bane, supplying him with Venom should he get involved in the breakout and tell him Batman's secret identity. Zsasz does just that, allowing Bane to go on a killing spree and kill Batman for him. Once Batman takes Bane’s ass down after Round 1, Zsasz meets the Dark Knight in the theater where Bruce’s parents died. Zsasz brags about knowing Batman’s secret identity and how he loves killing the “drones” while their awake—especially the babies. But Batman ain’t having none of that and beats the shit out of him, even kicking him in the nuts while he’s down. Bane breaks through the doors and tackles Batman for Round 2. Talia al Ghul, who served as Bruce’s crush throughout the story, shows up with a gun and just shoots Zsasz in the head.

Redeeming Qualities?

None. The story interestingly has people argue whether or not Zsasz is just mentally ill or fully aware of his actions. Well, for a while, as it’s made very much clear that Zsasz is in full control of his murders, and loves every second of it.

Heinousness?

The only real villain of the script, as the other major villains appearing are either just namedropped, or have very little impact on the plot.

Conclusion

I think he’s a keep.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Aug 13th 2019 at 11:17:23 AM

Current story I'm writing
falcontalons from the Flask
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:30:07 AM

Yes to Zsasz.

I'm only downvoting the RWBY duo because I feel we should probably wait until the next volume; I'm convinced they meet the heinous standard of RWBY at the moment.

I shall drink to the Promised Day, and to your undying loyalty.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Continental Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:31:37 AM

[tup] Zsasz

[up][up] I understand your point to downvote the duo...but at the same time, we had upvoted candidates that didn't have their arcs finished and then later revisited them to determine if they still qualified.

Edited by AustinDR on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:32:13 AM

Why you little-!
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:38:39 AM

[tup] Zsasz

The present does not exist - It will just be the past once even a second passes
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:44:35 AM

[tup] Zsasz. Third incarnation of him (Post-Crisis, New 52).

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Beast from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:44:39 AM

[tup] Zsasz.

Edited by Beast on Aug 13th 2019 at 1:00:17 PM

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CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
falcontalons from the Flask
Aug 13th 2019 at 10:59:32 AM

@AustinDR: Well, with a lot of those characters, we can't make much of a guess at whether or not they will gain mitigating factors or be outheinoused after we first put them up, and there's usually not a huge chance of the latter happening. With the duo, we know that Atlas, as well as probably the SDC, is going to be explored in more detail in the next volume, and I feel there's a high chance of the traffickers we have up failing the heinous standard later with this in mind.

[down]I know; I don't mind if they stay.

Edited by falcontalons on Aug 13th 2019 at 11:17:28 AM

I shall drink to the Promised Day, and to your undying loyalty.
AustinDR TV good for Ed from Fresh and ready for life.
TV good for Ed
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:16:42 AM

Again, if they go up, that issue will be addressed if another book comes out or anything in the show disqualifies them.

Why you little-!
Michealthehero21 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
PolarPhantom Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:53:41 AM

You had me at "kills babies". Yes to Zassy.

Darkness rises and Light to meet it.
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:55:00 AM

BTW, I decided to hold off on submitting the RWBY lit duo for now.

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DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: In my bunk
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:56:46 AM

[tup] Zsasz

As for the RWBY duo? I... Fail to see how exactly one hostage situation outweighs serial human trafficking. Yeah, the Branwen Tribe express no moral opposition to it, but they still don't do it on the regular.

Ongoing Projects
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:57:57 AM

Kind of where I'm leaning here. One instance of kidnapping doesn't out-heinous a trafficking operation

miraculous I am a link in a chain from South Africa
I am a link in a chain
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:58:27 AM

[tup]zsaz

I don't see the issue either tbh

"Demonstrate for us your great skill at standing there, and you'll be fine."
therealjackieboy Fast and Bulbous from Austin, TX Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Fast and Bulbous
Aug 13th 2019 at 11:59:31 AM

[up] Agreed. I'm still leaning 'yes' to the RWBY duo.

Current story I'm writing
Aug 13th 2019 at 12:00:37 PM

'Yes' to Zsasz, and I'm not seeing anything to disqualify the trafficking duo. My 'Yes' vote stands.

Now, some of you might remember my proposal some years ago for Eric Chase from Joe Hill's The Cape, for which here is his write-up:

  • Eric was, at first, just self-centered and lazy, blaming all of his life's problems on his kind mother and brother. However, once he reclaimed his childhood cape that allows him the power of flight, he becomes something far more wicked. Firstly murdering his girlfriend because he suspected her of cheating on him, Eric later drops a grizzly bear onto two detectives investigating him for his girlfriend's death, and happily watches as they are mauled to death. Using his mother as a hostage, Eric tries to burn his brother alive, and, when his mother tries to flee the state, Eric, after murdering a man with a cinder block, uses a chainsaw to down the entire jumbo plane she is on, killing hundreds of innocents when it crashes into a bridge filled with people. Finally confronting his brother, Eric brutally beats and tries to kill him while refusing to take responsibility for his crimes or his crummy lot in life. Childish, unintelligent, and homicidal, Eric serves as a warning that even the most uninspired and pathetic of people can become truly dangerous when given power without responsibility or fear of retribution.

Well, in 2018, a new series started, calling The Cape: Fallen, which has just finished its run two weeks ago....so let's discuss that.

Now, Eric returns in this interquel, taking place immediately after the murder of his girlfriend. Plagued with nightmares of her death and attacks of conscience that take the form of his father giving him moral lessons, Eric heads out to his father's old log cabin deep in the woods for some soul searching, having flashbacks to childhood throughout the comic.

Upon arriving at the log cabin, Eric is confronted by a group of people staying at the cabin...who are LARPers (Live Action Roleplayers). Though at first annoyed by their presence—especially when he recognizes one of them as a childhood bully—Eric is welcomed by the friendly group, and actually seems to be into the idea of roleplaying, taking the name of "the wizard Darkhole" for a session of fun with the group.

Though enjoying himself and making friends with the group, unfortunately, things take a turn when Eric gets a bit too into the roleplaying, and punches one of the players, leading to them all expressing weirdness and fear at him. Ticked off by their (completely understandable) reaction, Eric is once again plagued with nightmares of his girlfriend and his father, the girlfriend side goading him into giving into his truthfully dick-ish, power hungry side, while his father side attempts to help him be friends with the group and use his cape for good purposes.

When two members of the group spot Eric flying, he decides they can't be left alive as he wants to keep his powers a secret, and promptly grabs them up in a tent and smashes them repeatedly into several trees, reducing the duo to a pile of bloody mush before leaving them to slowly die....he then plans to continue "playing nice" with the rest of the group, but when they find the bodies of his victims, Eric simply smiles, shrugs and decides to change the name of the game...and begins systematically hunting down the rest of the group, remarking that his girlfriend-nightmares are "right" about him, not his father.

Grabbing one of them, Eric flies him up to a flag pole, and slooooooowly lets him slip down onto it, impaling the screaming man straight through the body. Eric then attacks the next one in a cave, grabbing her and flinging her up into the ceiling of the cave and impaling her on the stalactites (or stalagmites, whichever is the ceiling ones >_>) .

Confronting the final LARPer, who also happens to be his childhood bully, Eric grabs him, flies up into the sky, lights him on fire, lets him burn alive for a few moments, then flings him down into the log cabin, killing the man and burning down the cabin, at which point Eric heads back to the city, ready to continue his spree that is detailed in the original comic...while remarking to himself "Wonder if my dad would be proud of the man I've become?.....Probably not."

In terms of deeds, it definitely adds to Eric's rapsheet. He massacres a group of people who were completely friendly to him and only got mildly pissed at him when he punches one of them, and though he at first claims it's because he can't let his secret out and is "sorry", he eventually admits to himself that he just enjoys hurting people and finally getting, ah, "revenge" for their "crimes" against him.

As for redeeming qualities or a Freudian Excuse, Eric's past with his father and brother is expanded on, and he's shown once more, just like in the original comic, to Used to Be a Sweet Kid, and was often picked on by his brother...though we get a good glimpse of his future-personality when he, without hesitation, kills a deer his father was hunting after his brother was hesitant to end the life of a living thing.

But, ultimately, all of that "good little boy" is gone by the present. Eric is an utter scumbag, and though he experiences guilt for killing his girlfriend and is attacked by conscience, the entire point of this comic is to show Eric's "full" descent into villainy, as in the original comic he went from "killing my girlfriend" to "DOWNING A DAMN AIRPLANE' pretty smoothly, so this comic was made to show the graduation from "killing my girlfriend" to "murder of more innocent people", and it does so quite well, showing that though Eric has guilt? He ultimately accepts it and admits that he enjoyed killing his girlfriend (to such a point that he took pictures of her dead body), and rejects his conscience (and by extension his father's childhood teachings of morality), to such a point that he burns down the beloved family cabin and cruelly smiles while remarking that his father wouldn't be proud of the man that he's become.

So yeah, though Eric got more complex in this comic? He still handily counts, and I honestly appreciate this comic for making Eric somehow even more hateable, because someone experiencing guilt and then making the conscious choice to get over it is so much more personally despicable to me than just never feeling guilty in thr first place.

Edited by Ravok on Aug 13th 2019 at 12:01:29 PM

miraculous I am a link in a chain from South Africa
I am a link in a chain
Aug 13th 2019 at 12:04:55 PM

[tup]Eric

Also way to go the authors. I appreciate the idea of making a cm more complex without giving them redeeming qualities.

"Demonstrate for us your great skill at standing there, and you'll be fine."
PolarPhantom Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Aug 13th 2019 at 12:08:48 PM

I don't know Eric or the work but I trust you and am happy it made you happy.

A complex CM is one I like.

I agree with the sentiment y'all have on the RWBY duo, but I'm still abstaining because I feel bamboozled by all this RWBY stuff. I can't keep it all straight so I'll leave it to more well versed folk.

Oh yeah, Guilty Gear's getting a new game if someone wants that. I'll pass since I'm a very casual fan.

Darkness rises and Light to meet it.
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
Aug 13th 2019 at 12:17:55 PM

Keeping my yes to the RWBY duo.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Aug 13th 2019 at 9:19:53 PM

Here's my Code Lyoko/Naruto fanfic.

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