During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Akaza seems like a douche, but not heinous enough (what happens to him?).
Bishou...tries to kill numerous women and children? I'd say that may push him into CM territory.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Unknown Unknown
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Revenger duo
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Queen La.
Jot me down for Quote C.
@Elfen: Been keeping up with Chivalry of a Failed Knight. Those two aren't heinous enough despite an awful move or two.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
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@Erazor Think I can make a case a bit just for Bishou. Akaza I think, he isnt heinous.
@ACW What happens to Akaza? He got knocked out by Stella and then got fired from his position so yeah... A well deserved fate for him.
Oh and sure to the Revenger duos.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 18th 2019 at 6:02:18 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Carlos' dragon and La.
BTW, has anyone seen the pothole I found in Sense8?
Yeah, cut it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So, quote C it seems to be then.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Has anyone heard of the TMNT Live-Action Films getting a reboot?
IPP Wick Check created.
to No Name and Queen La (considering the fact Tarzan is the second most adapted literary character after Dracula and Sherlock Holmes, their is probably a lot of other candidates out there. Someone should look into the original La, she sounds nasty.)
Yes to Revenger stuff, no to La.
La is in no way shape or form a keeper from the novels.
Was she less evil or more heroic in the novels?
I want to EP a character from Assassin's Creed Sydnicate, but he only has two attempted crimes which would result in great number of victims had he suceeded.
PM if someone of you played game.
I found this under Sin senos sí hay paraíso:
- Complete Monster: Martin, Catalina the Elder's previous boss at the DEA, who not only tricked her into believing she was being blamed for the escape of el Titi but use that opportunity to kidnap her and have her locked in a house in the middle of nowhere, having being obsessed with her since he met her. To top it all, that place was where he kept other victims who not only did he tortured and raped, but he also killed and ate them.
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@MasterJoseph: I thought those movies were a reboot. ...Are they rebooting a reboot now? :/
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TMNT: Out of the Shadows kinda did leave a couple things hanging. It's really frustrating when something doesn't make enough money, so they just say "Eh fuck it. Just start over until we get rich enough to have our own Shared Universe." 
Edited by Tyk5919 on Jan 18th 2019 at 9:58:14 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
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Hey no one complained when Spiderman Homecoming did it. Unless your one of those guys whose pet peeves reboots being made when previous instalments still had loose ends to tie in their story.
Speaking of, fun fact; did you guys know that one of the reasons Sony's plans for The Amazing Spiderman didn't go through was because Andrew Garfield didn't show up to an event because he was sick ?
Edited by Beast on Jan 18th 2019 at 8:53:22 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
I'm serious about this reboot happening.
The producers behind the film A Quiet Place are rebooting the live-action films.
We could hope this film can be better than Michael Bay's reboot.
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You can't reboot a reboot. This cannot end well.
@ElfenLiedFan90
Just a note: Bishou is not the leader of the terrorist organization (Rebellion), he's just a mid-ranking member and is outranked by the Tyrant and the Numbers. Plus, one of the Numbers, Or-Gaule, overshadows Bishou, though the majority of his crimes are in the currently untranslated volumes. I'm not sure how that will factor into your EP.
Also, the anime (covers only the first 3 volumes) has minor deviations from canon and probably won't continue into any volumes featuring the more heinous Rebellion members.
Edited by Bugfragged on Jan 18th 2019 at 7:24:11 AM
Whoa, Bugfragged. I don't remember seeing you here. Are you new?
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
@11 Actually Bugfrag had been on this thread before you were.
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11, just to spare you some trouble later: anyone can join in or comment. No need to remark on it overmuch
Alright.
Another thing I wanted to bring up but couldn't get around myself was a rewrite on The Cancer Man of The X-Files. I'd do the rewrite myself but I haven't been into the series in years and just now started looking back into it on account of the Comic Book/30DaysOfNight crossover. As such I don't have the right context to make a rewrite myself but is current one looks a little hammy for my taste.
His current entry reads as such.
- The Cigarette Smoking Man, also known as the Cancer Man, is Agent Mulder and Agent Scully's main antagonist, the villain of the Myth Arc, and the only Complete Monster who's not a Monster of the Week. He's associated with the grand government conspiracy Mulder and Scully are trying to uncover. While some of the conspirators are Well Intentioned Extremists, Cancer Man doesn't fit the bill. Whenever it would appear that he showed compassion or altruism, he in fact tried to manipulate people or played evil tricks on them. He had numerous means to neutralize his opponents, but he often chose especially cruel ways. For instance, he tried to burn Mulder alive and let Scully be abducted and experimented on, which gave her cancer and made her infertile. He had his ex-wife and mother of his son turned into an alien-human hybrid. He attempted to murder his own son in cold blood; said son survived, and Cigarette Smoking Man had him experimented on in unspeakable ways. He did save the Agents' lives a couple of times, or at least he didn't interfere with their attempts of saving each other, but he admitted he did it because it's satisfying to see their spirits crushed. Although he claims he wants to atone in "En Ami", it's clear doesn't want it enough to actually change and he never feels guilty.
Anyone want to judge on my Chivalry of the Failed Knight post in the previous page before I make an EP on those two?
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 18th 2019 at 5:55:07 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."