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My advice? Talk to ANewMan. He's our resident Pokemon expert (I know Scraggle also knows a fair amount about the franchise).

IMPLY. Sorry, pet peeve of mine

edited 20th Feb '18 3:26:23 PM by ACW

I'm open for questions regarding the franchise, and yes, ANewMan is handling discussion on the manga. And don't ever imply Ghetsis is ever getting off that list, G, my friend — it makes my eye twitch.

Yes to Big Scar Wu.

Not a pet peeve that needs to work its way into here, please.

edited 20th Feb '18 3:30:18 PM by Scraggle

Yea on Big Wu.

Anyways, I got a question but while I dont have a candidate after asking a question (I have one actually but shes on my Wait and See list and as for now she doesnt breach the heinous standard that much), I still going to ask this nonetheless:

"If a character was played 100% seriously in the main story but treated as a joke in the ending part.....Would he/she qualifies or not? Like for example, If Cinder Fall was played very seriously in the main story.....But in an ending part for a preview regarding the next episode, she was played as a joke character in RWBY chibi fashion. Would she still qualifies or not?

edited 20th Feb '18 3:32:25 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

That'd probably be a case-by-case thing.

Sorry Scraggle.

BTW, speaking of Pokemon, unless something changes DRASTICALLY, looks like Sun and Moon anime's not gonna have anyone. Nobody's really heinous enough. If Faba does a Face–Heel Turn, AND is played seriously, he COULD count, but as of now, not even close. And Lusamine? Not even close. She's a more-or-less good guy (if immature) here.

edited 20th Feb '18 3:34:33 PM by ACW

@Reyn Time 250: I think you PM A New Man about sharing proposed candidates for Pokemon Adventures.

I think I can Big Wu as he seems to be played straight as a serious villain and we did have candidates like him from wack works to approved, Swan and Ajax being some of these examples.

Speaking of which there's this one candidates that's been eating me at some time on whether or not he counts, so I decided to EP him and have the forum decide. But before that lets discuss the work... The Boondocks

What's the Work?

The Boondocks is an animated series for adults which revolves around the Freeman family consisting of brother Huey and Riley and the grandfather Robert, and antics they have to deal with in the mostly white suburb of Woodcrest, now introducing my candidate, Ed Wuncler II.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

Ed Wuncler II is the Big Bad of season 4 who learns that the Freemans have become broke. He pretend to help the Freemans with their money problems only to put them into his debt, a dept he himself personally makes bigger to the point where the Freemans become desperate enough to sell themselves into slavery.

Its also later revealed that the Freemans are far from the only one to be in Ed Wuncler II's debt as he has done this to dozens, if not hundreds of other innocent families and have them send to work as slaves in his theme park ironically named "Freedom Land". There he subjugates his slave into various torture committed by him, his men, and the blissful guess oblivious to the true horrors of his theme park.

Ed Wuncler II also no problems whatsoever in murdering his slaves himself should they try to stand up to him; evidence of this brutality is shown when he's seen with a knife and blood stains. He also makes this very clear to Huey when he tries to chop off Huey's foot with an ax, the latter of which happens to be a child. However Huey dodges and kicks Wuncler in the face. A slave revolt then commences, which ends in Freedomland getting burned down and Ed Wuncler II escaping.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

The only thing going for him is that he comes from the, Wunclers, richest family in the setting. That's it.

As for if wether or not if he cares for his anyone from his family I say, no. He never mentions his father or son aside from the one time to introduce himself to the Freemans, and the show makes it clear that Wunclers show no care for anyone including other family members and shows no concern for their wellbeing whatsoever.

Evidence of this lack of care is found when Ed Wuncler III gets severely injured from a kick ball his grandfather simply says that this game is more important than his own grandson's life.

That said Ed Wuncler II lacks any of the humorous qualities that his other family member, especially Ed Wuncler III, and his atrocities are much crueler even by Wuncler standards which leads to ...

Heinousness

While many people can argue that this is a Animated show with lots of Black Comedy, the show itself is has a much more grounded and realistic heinous standard compared to the likes of South Park or Family Guy.

The likes Uncle Ruckus and Stinkmeaner are Jerkasses who likes making people miserable especially for black people other than that they don't really do much that warrant a CM EP, with the worst of Ruckus' actions is that he works for Ed Wuncler II. Stinkmeaner's crew, the Hateocracy aren't saints themselves but their most heinous crime was killing Bushido Brown, who was a douchebag anyway.

There also some one shot characters like Deborah Leevil and Lamilton Taeshawn, but the worst that either of them do is kill one person for Deborah and kill a dog for Lamilton.

There also Ruckus' father and Grandmother but they don't do anything particular other than be abusive to Ruckus and be the reason why Ruckus hates black people.

Then there is his family that I've mention whom his father is a Corrupt Corporate Executive who subjugates a girl into sweatshop conditions and his son who's too big of an idiot to know from right and wrong.

However, none of them has the rap sheet of Ed Wuncler II's crimes which includes intentionally sending dozens, if not hundreds of innocent families to debt, force them become slaves and subjugate them to mass suffering and even killing some of them himself and going as far as to chop a Child's foot simply for standing of to him.

Also unlike many of the other villains in this show the actions committed by Ed Wuncler II are not Played for Laughs at all. He is treated as a genuine Knight of Cerebus whose played realistically straight as a loan shark, slave owner, a murderer, and above all a serious villain.

So I believe thats a pass there.

Final Verdict

I'm leaving the forum to decide!

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that in my EP. That said as bad as Black Comedy Rape was that is only one guy, while Ed Wuncler II has much more people that he has harmed, made suffer, and killed.

edited 20th Feb '18 4:08:01 PM by G-Editor

Big Wu.

I don't know. I still feel the Boondocks is one of those shows where's there's too much played for laughs. Case it point, what happens to Chris Handsome.

Leaning nay on Ed. He sounds pretty damn hard to take seriously.

Yea on Beast's example. No on Wuncler for the same reasons I'd vote down a S Impsons villain

Yeah to Big Wu, no to Wuncler

Wuclur. I was actually thinking of recommending him!

Speaking of recommendations, can I recommend this image for the Fan Works section.

Was thinking of watching Mon Colle Knights and I noticed not only is Redda in desperate need of a rewrite but also doesn't seem to have received a formal EP. I can take care of both after I watch it. When I do the rewrite I think I'll also make note of the fact Redda only seems to count in the Japanese dub, as the English one toned the crimes down as well as omitting some scenes.

Okay to tally the votes for Ed Wuncler II I've got 2 2, and 3 abstains (with one leaning towards .)

Just to remind other tropers Wuncler II's actions are taken completely seriously and his actions are a tier more heinous than any that I've seen in this show

@Lightysnake: a Simpson villain was actually proposed here? when did I missed this?

edited 20th Feb '18 4:58:36 PM by G-Editor

Abstaining on Wuncler II. I;m not sure if his actions were any more heinous that the things his father got away with all the time on the show.

Storm King. He's one of the worse villains in this canon (he, Tirek, and Sombra are the ones I feel definitely pass the baseline even beyond the typical kids show villainy that most other antagonists in the series get up to - Starlight Glimmer arguably did too, but she had mitigating features from the start even before making a Heel–Face Turn and being promoted to Sixth Ranger) , but he still needs a lot more to push him into this trope. Namely, much more explicit horrible consequences of his crimes.

Jim Gordon the Ripper

@Reyn Time 250: Bringing up Lusamine now is probably pointless since her arc isn't even close to over, and we've only seen her in one brief present day cameo and one brief flashback. Of course her redeeming qualities and Freudian Excuse wouldn't come up when she's been newly introduced. My guess is still that she'll be redeemed or be left with a good shot at redemption because that's been the case with literally every version of her thus far.

@Scraggle: I think G was thinking about the manga incarnation when bringing up Ghetsis there, though that wouldn't change that gameverse Ghetsis isn't leaving the list. He literally got three strikes already, and nothing he did in the games were worse than what his manga version has done or could do, or other versions of other villains have done or could do.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:40:12 PM by ANewMan

43, should I add that to your to-do list?

And done.

edited 20th Feb '18 4:58:38 PM by ACW

Please do

@Utter Koala Oooooh....Zykan.....I think I'm fine if you use that image. But that depends if the image quality is good enough. And speaking of him, I'll be looking for more candidates from Smackjeeves....Where I found him in there. And speaking of which, Is there any candidates that was proposed from Smackjeeves other than Zykan himself?

And I'm going to go against the grain again but I'll say yes on Ed Wuncler.....Didnt know the work but seems that G-Editor's arguement are persuasive enough IMO

Do you know how the page recommendations work? I’m very confused. Do they vote for it like with a CM recommendation?

@ACW is this image fine?

edited 20th Feb '18 5:20:15 PM by UtterKoala

For fancreations....Too bad it already has an image. But I think it could work with CM featured images and if it got approved....It will be either the first fanworks or webcomic image that got approved

edited 20th Feb '18 5:24:02 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

At this point, I think the only Adult Swim original show that could still have a candidate is the Venture Brothers, with the Sovereign coming pretty close to counting.

Pretty much every other show relies too heavily on Black Comedy for any candidate to be played all that seriously.

edited 20th Feb '18 6:03:02 PM by LoreDeluxe

really because it seems that Ed Wuncler II seems worse than his father as he subject many innocent families to slavery, tortures them and has even kill some. He also seems to do this not because he a greedy prick like his dad but mostly because he is a sadistic sociopath with shades of greed. Though I like to hear some of the crimes Wuncler I has committed. Perhaps he might be a possible candidate for a CM

My Mr. Wright write-up. Rewatched the movie to find his first name, and it turns out it's Leonard, so I added that to the writeup.

• President's Day (2010): Leonard Wright is a teacher at Lincoln High School, as well as the psychotic spree killer who is targeting the school. Harboring an ephebophilic crush for one of his students, Chelsea Blythe, Wright attempts to express his "love" for Chelsea by killing her rivals in the student body presidential race. To this end he mercilessly slaughters students and teachers alike, stabbing, strangling, burning, crushing, and dismembering his victims. To throw suspicion off himself, he fakes his death, killing his own dog, the only thing he ever loved, in the process. Wright frames another teacher for the homicides, hanging him and making it look like a suicide, before forcing the principal at knifepoint to declare Chelsea the winner of the election. Killing two cops, Wright kidnaps Chelsea's rival Joanna Bolen and lures Chelsea to the school basement, where he demands that Chelsea kill Joanna to "prove her love". When Chelsea rebuffs him, Wright immediately murders her, demonstrating that his warped concept of love was simply obsession. An animalistic and self-centered killer with over a dozen victims to his name, Leonard Wright darkens the tone of this horror-comedy with his unhinged inhumanity.

edited 20th Feb '18 9:03:58 PM by JoeBlitz

Any objections or some thoughts regarding Zykan's image that Utter Koala posted? Here's the panel in question:

http://kirbysadventure.smackjeeves.com/comics/2109362/infiltration-part-33/

No to Ed Wuncler. Not only is him having any actual body count left to nothing more than implication, the nature of the universe and even he cannot be taken seriously. "Freedom Land" as a name for a debt slavery amusement park? That's so on-the-nose it's hilarious. Let's not forget the actions of Ed Wuncler I with cheap child labor and actual, explicit attempted murder factoring into this, huh?

edited 20th Feb '18 7:32:50 PM by Scraggle

No real issue with the Zykan one, but...well, sprite comics are tough to get a read on