Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Could you please add them to the YMMV pages (I guess split the YMMV entries up by actions in each film?)?

So anyone got a writeup for Megabyte done yet?

Heishin still only has three votes and two votes. I'd like some more votes please. Well counting my vote it's 4 keep 2 cut. I'll need a few more before I consider a writeup. My effort post is on page 1737. I'll throw in another keep for Megabyte. From what I remember of this show, he was pretty damn bad.

Also we're getting close to 2k pages. This thread has been going since... 2010? That's 5 years and almost 2000 pages. Damn.

edited 26th Aug '15 5:22:27 PM by Klavice

@ACW: Done as good as I could manage. Don't know how pretty they are, but they should do.

@ANewMan: Nobody's done a write-up for Megabyte yet. I was going to, but I realised it's been too long since I've seen ReBoot to do any kind of good job. If you can, go for it.

@Klavice: to Heishin. Never played the game, but from your effort post, he seems like a nasty piece of work. And it is pretty impressive that this thread is nearing 2000 pages. I only started adding recently, and was still bowled over and really impressed by the amount of discussion, especially intelligent discussion, that goes on. Nice to see the Internet used for something other than mindless arguments, porn, and Facebook.

edited 26th Aug '15 5:40:13 PM by DeCarta

to the new Cobra Commander and Zartan write-ups. Cobra's is a little long, but I think it works

Heishin still strikes me as rather generic. He had some nasty acts towards the end of the game, but prior to that, he was your Jafar-esque Evil Chancellor type villain who craved power for no discernible reason.

Though I do recall they actually used Heishin in another game, Duelist Of The Roses, playing the role of Richard III, who's famous for being a Complete Monster in Shakespeare's play named after him, so...

edited 26th Aug '15 5:55:55 PM by ANewMan

@Ravok: Appreciated. Thanks.

to Cobra Commander. Not that it really matters now.

edited 26th Aug '15 8:25:59 PM by futuremoviewriter

Surprising that this is the second incarnation of Cobra Commander to reach CM status. Remember when he was just some shrieky-voiced harmless villain?

Oh, well. No more surprising than King Boo suddenly becoming an omnicidal sociopath. On the subject of their writeups, remember writeups shouldn't just be a complete summary of the character so much as a narrowup of their worst deeds and why they count.

I'll The Man.

...And moviewriter, did you honestly just your own candidate? You shouldn't have to do that in a separate post.

edited 26th Aug '15 7:18:39 PM by Scraggle

Well many of silly 80s cartoon villains have gotten nastier incarnations that have counted as monsters: Shredder, Megatron, Rat King, etc. A lot of these villains are concepts that could be menacing, but were made into silly villains due to censorship standards in the 80s. 2002 Sketetor is also more meancing then his 80s counterpart, but isn't quite heinious enough to be a monster.

I will give a to The Man. to Vole. Also I will give Petrie a . Its nice to have a non Ron the Death Eater fan fiction example.

Also I think I have enough votes for Sven, that I will do a write up for him later.

edited 26th Aug '15 8:10:39 PM by Overlord

wait a second, no one submitted the Resolute version of Cobra Commander.

Speaking of 80's villains, will we ever get around to talking Grune and Mumm-Ra from the 2011 Thunder Cats show?

Also expecting more resolution on Heishin and a write-up for Megabyte soon...

edited 26th Aug '15 8:30:37 PM by ANewMan

I fixed it Scraggle. How do you vote?

edited 26th Aug '15 8:35:58 PM by futuremoviewriter

Yeah, Duelist of the Roses Heishin is pretty bad, but I fail to see how he's anything like Jafar. Jafar didn't kill the sultan and his wife and try to murder their child, the princess. He tried to marry her, but still. I don't think Heishin is anything like Jafar. That's like comparing Scar to Claudius-oh wait... Just because he's of the same archetype of evil usurper, doesn't mean he is the same. I think he's more like Zant in that when he seizes power, he tries to destroy the world and tries to kill the royal he usurped (albeit by making them play card games, but you KNOW how dangerous these games can be). We also see a lot of his destruction in the late game. While Jafar only targeted the palace, Heishin actually destroyed much of Egypt. We see many formerly great buildings destroyed and people going in hiding in fear of him. I think what makes Heishin stand out compared to Jafar is that he planned on ending the world because it didn't agree with him. While Jafar tried to simply seize power, he never wished to actually destroy Agrabah, just rule it. Heishin actively wants to hunt down the Prince and his friends barely escaped with their lives. When Seto kidnaps Teana, it's implied Heishin wanted to kill her. That would be another attempted murder on his head. He murdered at least three people on-screen and was portrayed as one of the most well-known Complete Monsters in Theatre. We've qualified people who only killed one maybe two people. Heishin does a number of things Jafar doesn't do.

Hmmm, randomtroper's right. GI Joe Resolute Cobra Commander is only present on the show's YMMV. Nowhere to be found on the Western Animation page, or even the Web Original page.

While I'm at it, I'd like to propose a slight rewrite for Resolute Cobra Commander.

This is the original.

GI Joe Resolute: Cobra Commander is the ruthless leader of Cobra, an international terrorist group. He appears before the United Nations using a hologram generator and demands all the nations of the world surrender their authority to him. To prove he is serious Cobra Commander uses a giant laser weapon to destroy Moscow and kill 10 million people. He will destroy other cities if his demands are not met within 24 hours. When the GI Joes discover his base, Cobra Commander freaks out and begins to slaughter his own men. Cobra Commander then targets his laser weapon at Washington D.C. before the GI Joe thwart him.

And this is my propsed rewrite.

GI Joe Resolute: Cobra Commander is the ruthless leader of Cobra, an international terrorist organization. Appearing before the United Nations via a hologram, Cobra Commander wipes out Moscow and its population of 10 million with his Kill Sat and announces he will do the same to more nations if the world hasn't surrendered to him within 24 hours. After the G.I. Joes begin thwarting his plans, Cobra Commander orders his soldiers to use the weapon to destroy cities randomly until the world gives him what he wants, then kills one of them for informing him they have to recharge the weapon first. When the Joes locate his base, Cobra Commander proceeds to freak out, slaughter his entire command center, and try to use his satellite laser to obliterate Washington, D.C. before being stopped by the G.I. Joes.

On another note, this Commander and the live-action one's plans are eerily similar.

edited 27th Aug '15 12:04:41 PM by Ravok

Let me say out here, btw...we need to cut Mayuri Kurotsuchi posthaste.

He demonstrates genuine care for Nemu now in his own weird way.

RT 89 and Ravok: Resolute!Commander's entry is at Cartoon Network.
Lighty: Gonna do that right now.
Or not

edited 27th Aug '15 12:11:59 AM by ACW

Hold on one second. From what I remember about previous conversations on this guy, I think "genuine care" should probably be elaborated upon.

Now that the character has been named, I would like the propose the following addition.

Goumasa Tokage from Tokyo Ghoul.

• Actions: Tortured and drove Yamori insane for his own amusement, committing acts so vile even the usual Fantastic Racism applied towards Ghouls didn't protect him from punishment. (While we only get a glimpse of what he did, Yamori himself explains that all the tortures he is putting Kaneki through are what he experienced first-hand.) After being demoted and shipped off to the Academy, he amuses himself through torturing and killing small animals, and leaving their bodies for the children to discover. He then takes part in a conspiracy to cover up his crimes by placing blame on whatever kid is considered an outcast. He did this to both Juuzou and Mutsuki, even faking concern by warning Sasaki that Mutsuki is a "bad kid" while laughing about it.
• Relationships: No one likes him. His coworkers and superiors tolerate him to avoid bringing shame to their organization. The students all fear him, and he openly mocks them all. Sasaki notes that there is something very creepy about him, and tries to avoid interaction.
• Justification: Absolutely none. He's just a sadist that enjoys hurting anything weaker than him.
• No Regret: Nope, none at all. He laughs about what he's done.
• Redemption: The story isn't completed, but there really isn't any way for him to make up for having destroyed so many lives. Having been the victim of The Dog Bites Back, he simply redoubled his cruelty and has created a conspiracy to protect him from the consequences of his actions.

I don't think Goumasa has any hope of redemption, but in all reality, we haven't seen enough of him yet. Also, in regards to heinous standard, he's not the only torturer in town and it could be argued Yamori/Jason is more heinous than he is. Granted, Yamori snapped when Goumasa tortured him and adopted his personality as his own.

That said, I can think of two other Ghoul characters whose stories are over who are more suitable keepers. Namely Big Madam and Rize.

As for Mayuri...in this chapter, Nemu interferes in Mayuri's fight to save him. He scolds her, but saves her life as well, and calls her by her 'true' name and tells her not to be careless with her life. He does add only he can choose she dies, but tells her not to risk herself, and it'd be too difficult to create another Nemu that's exactly like her.

Yeah, I know how that sounds, but Mayuri makes it sound weirdly affectionate. He seems to genuinely value Nemu, and him softly saying her real name while reminding her not to risk herself seems only possible to interpret as genuine care.

• Lighty:
  • So as of now (pending Yhwach), just Shrieker, Granz, and Aizen? Any chance of any more Bleach monsters, or time to merge Monster/Bleach with Anime And Manga A To J and move the image of Granz to Complete Monster?
  • Are Big Madam and Rize the ones you're gonna do effortposts for?
• Speaking of merging:
  • Anyone gonna read The Shepherd's Crown? If not, we can probably merge Discworld with Lit.
  • Are any more Dresden books coming out?

edited 27th Aug '15 7:19:54 AM by ACW

That's one or two so far on Petrie. Who else?

edited 27th Aug '15 7:31:39 AM by futuremoviewriter

It still sounds like Mayuri cares more about Nemu as a possession or simply as an extension of himself. Orochimaru's villainous friendship with Kabuto seems more genuine than any relationship between Mayuri and Nemu, especially considering how ambiguous the above statement is.

In the least, we do a vote to cut or at least see what everyone one else thinks. Others might be as skeptical as I am, so I will vote on cutting Mayuri.

edited 27th Aug '15 7:46:45 AM by LoreDeluxe

The Dresden Files is still ongoing, yes, although at a slow rate.

edited 27th Aug '15 8:21:52 AM by Scraggle