During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Yeah looking back at the ep and the others input I’m switching to a ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
for Seth
Get better Bull
Edited by G-Editor on Jan 13th 2022 at 1:04:14 PM
The Emperor of Evil!
Get Well Bull, sorry to hear that 
Edited by Powermaster201 on Jan 13th 2022 at 1:07:09 PM
Messenger from another dimension.
Be well Bull! My brother in law actually just recently recovered from covid and I know you will too! Stay strong and healthy man!
And easy cut to Turnbull. I always thought his redeeming quality was genuine.
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
for Dekim, and Zonbayu.
for Seth.
Cut Turnbull.
As I said in the MB thread, get well soon Bull.
Shit bullman. Hope you feel better
Dekim Barton. I'd considered proposing him years ago but never got around to it.
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Get Well Soon Bull
I'm really sorry Bull. Do take care
Yes to Dekim and Zombayu.
Get better Bull.
No to Seth. As stated before, there's a reason why Bison is one of the only examples in Street Fighter, he's extremely heinous and has played everyone like a fiddle to ruin their lives for his own psychopathic desires. Seth is literally a puppet of Bison and a victim.
Professor Gigachad
Street Fighter has its own page you know?
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jan 13th 2022 at 12:42:42 PM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
TBF half of that page is Bison or his various incarnations.
I'm also not really sure why Pyron is on that page? Did the Street Fighter dudes make an appearance in that one?
Edited by Scraggle on Jan 13th 2022 at 1:46:17 PM
Professor Gigachad
I actually can't remember why we decided to put that on, I would be fine with removing it as it seems weird.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
The Emperor of Evil!
I think when Udon Comic!Bison was proposed it was stated they're in a share universe or had a crossover I think.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
I was gonna check the games to see him if he count actually.
Edited by Powermaster201 on Jan 13th 2022 at 3:56:15 PM
Goku Black
Speaking of is their any reason Pyron doesn't count in the games?
The OVA and comic are supposed to be adaptation of the first game and from what I've heard only Jedah Dohma could rival the guy in heinousness.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Could we get a source on that? I don't want to be including Pyron on the list unless the Nightstalkers cast is actually rubbing elbows with the Street Fighter cast. It's too ancillary to justify listing otherwise.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, Shared Universe. Though the comic now has its own page, so that link has to be changed.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Yeah. Uh if we put works up together on a random crossover. Wed be grouping Bones and Sleepy Hollow together.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
They had a crossover called Street Fighter Vs. Darkstalkers that is explicitly canon to both and dramatically progresses both of their storylines. It wasn't a one-and-done thing either - Akuma stays in the Darkstalkers world and a later comic would build on his time there. It's Canon Welding, more than anything.
Edited by DocSharp on Jan 13th 2022 at 12:58:44 PM
Okay, I'm as good as gold for that then. Maybe a note in the header.
to Dekim and Zonbayu.
Hopefully you get better soon Bull.
Edited by MGD107 on Jan 13th 2022 at 2:44:34 AM
to Dekim Barton and Zombayu.
to Seth. Cut Quentin Turnbull.
@Bullman: I'm deeply sorry to hear that. Hope you recover soon and take all the time you need.
And holy shit Bull, hope you get better. Seriously.
"No running in the halls!"