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Yes to Carnage.

EDIT: Yes to Carnage.

Alright, I can see I was wrong in how I behaved, but Conomor's entry should be corrected to change the source. Now for that folklore candidate I mentioned.

What is the work?

The Faroe Islands are a group of islands located in the North Atlantic, situated in a halfway between Norway and Iceland and very close to Scotland. This in turn has given rise a unique set of myths, the most famous of which concerns a selkie on the island Kalsoy.

The candidate? Her human husband.

What have they done?

Never given a name, the husband is a young farmer from Mikladalur, a village on Kalsoy, who hears stories concerning the seals. See, in Faroese myth, seals are actually humans who died by suicide in the ocean. Once a year, on the thirteenth night, they are able to come ashore, remove their seal skins, and have a party. And our young farmer? Wants to see if it's true.

And wouldn't you know it, it is true. The seals really do take off their skins and have a party. And among their number is Kópakonan, a pretty young girl who happens to leave her skin near the young man's hiding spot. So he does what most young men in these stories do; steal her skin so she cannot return to the sea, then forces her to be his wife, keeping her sealskin locked away. The two have many children over the years, until one day the farmer is out fishing, realizes he left the seal skin out and rows back home to find that Kópakonan has vanished, having taken precautions to ensure her human children aren't harmed beforehand. Kópakonan returns to the sea where her bull seal lover was waiting for her all these years, and when her human children come to play at the beach, a seal sometimes watched them.

Unlike other animal bride stories, however, this one doesn't end there. Oh no. One day, our husband is going to go seal hunting with his buddies when Kópakonan warns him in a dream not to harm the bull seal and two young pups by the cave entrance, as those are her husband and sons. And our farmer? Not only does he ignore her warning, he goes so far as to take the head of her husband and the limbs of her sons, cooking them for dinner. In response? Kópakonan comes to him in the form of a troll and lays a curse upon the island of Kalsoy, so that people will fall off the cliffs until there's enough corpses to link hands around the island.

Mitigating factors?

Uhh... honestly, from what I've read? No. My source for the story is here and while the story does note Kópakonan's grief and care for her human children, it doesn't really ascribe anything redeeming to him at all. By contrast, her human husband is cast in an antagonistic role. I think we're good here.

Heinous Standard?

This is where it gets tricky. Most animal bride stories follow a format; man sees an animal shed its skin and become a beautiful woman, man takes skin and forces her to be his wife, woman finds skin after a while and leaves. Kópakonan's story is no different... for the most part. See, there's the inclusion of an aftermath where the husband outright murders Kópakonan's seal husband and sons despite having been warned not to. I should note he's not the only one man killing seals but his circumstances are far more unique.

Conclusion?

I'll admit, I'm a little conflicted here, but the story is rather unique among animal bride tales for both its ending and taking some pains to show Kópakonan's grief at her situation, so I think it is worth discussion. I'm personally leaning yes, but I'll let you guys decide. And again, a link to the story can be found here, if you need to read it for yourself.

Edited by Vyn on Oct 19th 2021 at 9:11:50 AM

Yes to Carnage (separating the symbiote and Cletus kills them both? Huh).

So Batman Who Laughs lacks agency here...what about Doom?

• Michelo Chariot is a Mafia boss turned pilot of Neo Italy's Neros Gundam, and the first opponent Domon Kasshu meets on his adventure. Vexed when Domon saves a group of children from his thugs, Michelo kidnaps and threatens to murder one of them unless Domon fights his entire gang bare-handed. When Domon unexpectedly wins, Michelo kills his right-hand man for showing fear and engages in, and loses, a Gundam fight with Domon. Though seemingly disqualified and arrested, Michelo is granted amnesty by Wong in exchange for serving as one of his enforcers, and throughout the finals performs underhanded maneuvers such as mailing a bomb to an accomplice that got cold feet and attempting to force George to forfeit their fight lest Michelo blow up the entire audience.

Thanks for a great collab, friends; the whole sleight got in!

Yes to The Unamed Husband.

I'll read the folklore candidate shortly Ultimately, I'm gonna abstain - not sure if he stands out enough to the usual tale

Doom appears to be a WIE (I might give him an MB post later), and what I meant with Carnage was that they separate the two of them because they're easier to kill on their own, and then the heroes kill them.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Oct 19th 2021 at 12:22:44 PM

Abstain on the Horrendous Husband. It seems kinda hard to gauge heinousness.

I'm just gonna make sure nobody else misses the EP.

Vyn, I have overstepped my boundaries and I apologize. Lighty seems to have forgiven your mistake, so you don't need to apologize again.

I guess Lighty can update the source in the sandbox, unless he wants you to do it.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 19th 2021 at 12:19:21 PM

How many unnamed CM's do we have? And when I say "Unnamed", I mean a character who is literally not referred to as anything, not even a title (CM's like the ones from Netflix's A Series Of Unfortunate Events - with the really long titles - are excluded here).

AFAIK, there is the mine foreman from Star Trek Enterprise, and the Nazi responsible for Sophie's Choice just got approved. And the unnamed husband a few posts above mine is currently being discussed.

Edited by magnumtropus on Oct 19th 2021 at 8:22:55 PM

Hmm. Gonna mull the husband over

to the husband if only just barely

Don’t know what to think on the husband, on the one hand I’m wondering of his atrocities are large enough, but I am also getting a Old Nick vibe, and the killing of the OG husband and kids puts him slightly over

Tentative sure for right now.

to the husband, Dormammu and Carnage

Hey guys, so I may actually have a candidate from The Seven Deadly Sins, but to recap let us talk about it.

What’s The Work?

The Seven Deadly Sins is a manga that would become one of Netflix’s anime hits. The basic premise takes place in Britania where a girl named Elizabeth Liones tries to find a band of knights called the Seven Deadly Sins, and use them to fight the the Holy Knights corrupted by the demons.

Upon meeting the leader Meliodas, the two unite the Seven Deadly sins where they defeat the Holy Knights and the demon corrupting them, Fraudrin, only to learn that they were mere pawns used in an eternal conflict between the Demon and Goddess clans called the Holy War. Now Lighty already covered the Demon King, but there is another one I’d like to discuss, namely the other character responsible for the Holy War, The Supreme Deity.

Who Is She What? Has She Done?

The Supreme Deity is the ruler and creator of the Goddess Clan who along with the Demon King orchestrated the Holy Wars with plans to make the Holy War last forever to establish her superiority over the other race, uncaring about the untold amount of casualties caused by her machinations.

When the Goddess clan and Demon clan decide to make peace and end the Holy War, The Supreme Deity not wanting the Holy War to end has her most loyal subjects, most notably the four Archangels such as Ludociel, slaughter innocent members of the demon clan thus restarting the Holy War and more lives lost much to The Supreme Deity’s satisfaction.

When a girl named Merlin tricked The Supreme Deity into giving her a blessing, the Supreme Deity responded by destroying Merlin’s homeland Belialuin, where she had the Demon King help her in doing so where they made it rain fire and lightning, while unleashing poison mists and fogs throughout the land completely annihilating Belialuin and all of its inhabitants, save for Merlin.

When The Supreme Deity learns that her daughter Elizabeth was in a romantic relationship with the demon Meliodas, The Supreme Deity would curse Meliodas with immortality while having the Demon King curse her own daughter with reincarnation, so they would suffer utter agony for all eternity every time Elizabeth dies, where Meliodas would be consumed by rage upon the heartbreak of constantly loosing Elizabeth.

The Supreme Deity would eventually be sealed away where she watched the Holy War continued for 3000 years until awaking from her seal once the war has ended in the movie The Seven Deadly Sins: Cursed by Light. Upset that the heroes ruined the war she created, The Supreme Deity brainwashes the second Fairy King, Dahlia, and the giant craftsman, Dubs into becoming her tool to start another war having the brainwash hundreds of innocent fairies and giants and having the attack many cities and towns, massacring countless innocences.

The Supreme Deity would also resurrect fallen members of the Goddess Clan, just so she could brainwash them, forcing them to attack her own Goddess Clan as punishment for daring to make peace with the demons. When her brainwashed army gets overrun by the Seven Deadly Sins, The Supreme Deity shows up and casts her magic to eliminate them, killing off most of her own loyal and brainwashed soldiers, much to her indifference.

The Supreme Deity would then use her power to destroy all of Britannia and kill everyone there, including her own daughter, so that she can create a new Holy War without their interference. Luckily Meliodas with the help of his brother Zeldris is able to kill The Supreme Deity and end her influence in the world and beginning of the era of humans.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

All that’s known about the The Supreme Deity’s past was that she along with The Demon King was created by Chaos only for the two to turn against Chaos and sealed it away so that they could be the most powerful entities in the world. That is all about The Supreme Deity and nothing about it makes her sympathetic or justifiable.

The Supreme Deity claims that the Holy War is suppose to bring balance to the world, only for Meliodas to call her out on her flimsy excuse saying that while the Demon King was still in his body, he was able to see his memories where he learns that The Supreme Deity views the Holy War as nothing more than a game that she wants to win, and that she’s throwing a temper tantrum that they ruined her game, which the Supreme Deity doesn’t deny.

Along her real reason orchestrating the war lasting 3000 years being petty amusement, she has no care or concern for anyone but herself, willing to kill off her own clan without any remorse, never once shows any love or care to her daughter merely viewing her as property while showing no remorse in having her cursed trying to kill her, while only viewing the Demon King as tool she could team up with to continue her war and punish her enemies for petty reasons, and turn against The Demon King once she has no use of him.

Heinousness

Now she has to compete with the Demon King in terms of heinousness giving that they both created the Holy war and cursed each others children for their own selfish and petty gain, but I think she does more than enough to stand out having destroyed an entire nation and killing everyone there, with Merlin being the Sole Survivor, having her lieutenants slaughter numerous innocent members of the Demon Clan.

That’s not even getting to her atrocities in the movie where she brainwashes thousands of innocence into attacking and killing countless other innocences along with killing off her brainwashed thralls once she has no need for them before attempting to destroy all of Britannia and annihilate everyone their including her own daughter, and create a new Holy War that would last forever, leading to limitless casualties.

Final Verdict

I’ll leave it up to you guys to decide.

pretty much, The Supreme Deity does, Meliodas and Zeldris made up, Meliodas marries Elizabeth, and the age of humanity begins . to Stan

Edited by G-Editor on Oct 19th 2021 at 9:01:41 AM

Yes to the Supreme Deity there. Did that resolve in a movie or something?

Have a fun horror novel one for today:

What's the work?

Blood and Rain is a novel by Glenn Rolfe and a werewolf one at that. To uote the plot? "The light of a full moon reveals many secrets.

Gilson Creek, Maine. A safe, rural community. Summer is here. School is out and the warm waters of Emerson Lake await. But one man’s terrible secret will unleash a nightmare straight off the silver screen. Under the full moon, a night of terror and death re-awakens horrors long sleeping.

Sheriff Joe Fischer, a man fighting for the safety of his daughter, his sanity and his community, must confront the sins of his past. Can Sheriff Fischer set Gilson Creek free from the beast hiding in its shadows, or will a small town die under a curse it can’t even comprehend?"

Let's talk our werewolf...Stan Springs.

Who is Stan Springs?

A bitter ex-lawman who is infected by the curse of the wolf and has grown to love it....Stan was turned in the past and tends to change, killing those he can, before the secret is out. The novel begins during the full moon with a man running his car into the mud during a storm...just as Stan shows up in wolf form and busts the car open, ripping the poor guy apart...

With Gilson Creek becoming infamous for the wrong reason and the infamous events of the past resurfacing, Sheriff Joe Fischer is leading the investigation, with Stan having...severe issues with Joe due to the past. He begins to change more frequently, willingly, killing numerous people in town and changing another man into a werewolf to use as a distraction...now, the only way to kill a werewolf here? Decapitation. Silver works better, but they'll heal eventually, so Joe is holding on to an antique sword...and then comes the climax.

Stan changes and goes on a killing spree. He massacres his way across town, targeting any victim he can find. He kills Joe's daughter's boyfirend, slaughters a bunch of people through the town and then attacks Joe's girlfriend Mel, having used his victim/turned werewolf as a distraction...Joe arrives as Stan kills Mel with a punch to the head, leading to a confrontation as Stan tries to kill Joe...and then murder his daughter, but Joe is able to blindside him and behead him.

Mitigating issues?

Oh, hell no. Stan has control of himself. He's grown to love being a werewolf, and loves rampaging and killing people with a large bodycount ending in the violent rampage at the end of the book.

Conclusion?

Keeper.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 19th 2021 at 11:31:33 AM

Yes to Supreme Deity and Stan Springs.

Small correction to my rewrite. Pan didn't kill Hook's brother, he just let them leave the island knowing he would die. A fact he mocks Hook about. Sorry my mistake fixed it in drafts.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 19th 2021 at 1:43:08 PM

Supreme Deity & Stan

Any votes on the husband?

Abstain on the husband.

Stan.

Abstain on the unnamed husband. Certainly a bastard, but not enough stuff to work with.

Speaking of which, I think I have my own submission, and yeah, it will be an unnamed character again...

supreme diety and Stan.

to the Supreme Deity.

to the unnamed husband - among selkie stories, this one certainly stands out (most of the time, it's a tragic love story) because of the added detail at the end.

I'm vaguely familiar with this story - I have a friend who researches folklore of the British Isles- but never considered him as a candidate... until now.

But... yeah, to him. He's close enough to count.

Edited by Nathanoraptor on Oct 19th 2021 at 8:25:59 PM

Michelo Chariot, Dormammu, Carnage, Stan and Deity.

Abstaining on the Husband.

Yes to the Supreme Deity and Stan Springs

Now I say we just keep this going, cause we're starting to get to the home stretch. One more confident one, then we can wrap it up with a much less confident one.

Now, we go back to the beginning to when Oliver Queen, Sara Lance, Steve Rogers, and Natasha Romanoff accidentally end up in Middle-earth, entering the War of the Ring. Thus, they come into conflict with Sauron - and that includes his personal helper.

Who is Saruman the White? What does he do?

We all know Saruman by now - the fallen Istari who now serves Sauron in subjugating the Free Peoples of Middle-earth no matter what he has to do. To keep this brief, Saruman has his entire film run largely unchanged - has his Orcs destroy every village they see, possesses Theoden in order to keep him docile, burns the Ents to the ground in order to feed his war machine, tries to massacre the Rohan refugees as they flee the city - the complete usual with very minimal change. Eventually, as per the films, the heroes confront him in his tower and Gandalf breaks his staff, leaving him powerless.

And this is where things change - because unlike the movie where Wormtongue kills him, the fic goes with the book and spares him, leaving him trapped in his tower and guarded by the Ents with no power to call his own. As the heroes realize later, this was a mistake.

Saruman spends years rebuilding himself a second staff to channel his power, and once it's done, he kills Wormtongue and throws his body out the window to distract the Ents before fleeing into the Cosmos. As we later learn, he spent months wandering aimlessly through space until he finds Thanos - and the next time we see him, Saruman is eagerly participating in the massacre of the Asgardians, killing half of the remaining population indiscriminately so that Thanos can retrieve the Space Stone.

To aid his quest and attempt to get the Stones himself, Saruman comes up with an idea to distract Arda's forces and prevent them from interfering - kill Eärendil and take the Silmarils, getting rid of one of the stars in the sky (throwing all of Middle-earth into chaos) as well as release Morgoth the first Dark Lord, distracting the Valar from helping against Thanos. Thanos does all of that and releases Morgoth, and the two powerful mages begin working together from then on.

Saruman is then a key part in the group's plans going forward - he helps Morgoth plant his runes to make him infinitely stronger, he leads the forces against Wakanda and even personally participates in it by slowly and cruelly killing Theoden for spiting him before, corrupts Thanos into using the Stones to resurrect former villains after he already wins, and ultimately participates in the final battle against Gandalf, spending the whole fight trying to get his former "friend" to join his quest to kill the Valar and subjugate Middle-earth and trying to kill him when he declines.

Luckily, in a fate fitting for the smug bastard that he is, he instead gets killed ignominiously during the final battle, decapitated by Eomer as he rides by on a horse and largely forgotten about from then on - a fitting end for the spiteful maniac.

Any mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?

The fic goes largely for the film interpretation of the character and thus he lacks his novel counterpart's genuine pathos that prevents him from counting there - and while Gandalf pities him (the "You have become a fool, Saruman, and yet pitiful" scene from the books is added here), that is all, and it's largely pity for the man Saruman used to be and less for him. As per usual, he's friendly with Gandalf, but it's a transparent front, and the moment that Gandalf so much as looks at him wrong he descends into a spiteful and jealous mess who wants to kill everyone in his way. Same for Thanos - he claims, even in his own head, that he's loyal to Thanos' cause, but in the same sentence he acknowledges that he intends to claim the Stones for himself just so he can kill the Valar and take over Middle-earth out of spite, so none of his attempts to claim he's above it all prove themselves accurate when he's such a spiteful and proud disaster of a person.

Is he heinous enough?

Trickier part when he has magical powers and is allied with Morgoth, but I think he is. On top of having everything he does in the film trilogy, he willingly signs up with Thanos and participates in the massacre of the fleeing Asgardians, on top of throwing Middle-earth into chaos by having Thanos take the Silmarils and then release Morgoth from the Void to aid his cause, knowing full well that Morgoth will likely try to destroy the Multiverse if given the chance. Plus, I once again compare a potential candidate to Littlefinger - Baelish starts the bad thing but then stands so far back that it's hard to hold it against him, but Saruman starts the bad thing by releasing Morgoth and then gets himself right in the thick of it. Everything that Morgoth does, Saruman is right there by his side helping him out and playing his role, and he takes the time during the battles to settle personal debts (he first makes Theoden swear loyalty to him, and when he refuses, he takes his staff and crushes his chest slowly and painfully out of spite) - and through it all, he intends to take the Stones for himself so he can subjugate Middle-earth. Overall, he might not be seeking to destroy the Multiverse, but he releases and then aids someone who is, and through it all has his own goal of subjugating a planet for himself, on top of all the horrible things he did in his home trilogy. I honestly think yes, all told.

Final verdict?

Last confident yes, but another potential on the way - what about you?

Yes to Deity, Stan, and Saruman.

Stan, Supreme Deity and... I’ll abstain from Saruman. Not comfortable upvoting fanfic candidates.