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Kukurano. Braden, Black Ninja.

I'm not sure about Charlie.

He's horrible, but he does only succeed in killing one person, in admittedly a brutal manner. But even then, its not his invention, the Wesenrein have been burning people on the stake for centuries. Inverse they were originally part of the Roman Inquisition.

His order does likewise give numerous warnings before they resort to murder.

Plus Charlie is a sort of odd combination of Lawful Evil and Stupid Evil, being obsessed to upholding the rules of the trial exactly, even though the whole thing was rigged from the very start, even after Monroe kills two of his followers he still wants to drag the trial out for another day or so.

Really I don't think he counts, his brother is probably worse than him, as Charlie does seem to actually believe what he endorses, his brother just seems to enjoy watching people suffer.

Charlie got two; Terry (Monroe's cellmate) and one of his own men. I think Charlie's worse because he calls the shots; Jonah is the Ax-Crazy, nut-case evil, Charlie is the cold, ruthless, unfeeling one.

Edited by k410ren on Feb 15th 2022 at 4:46:54 AM

Yeah, your right. He also killed Shaw.

Sorry two.

And your right, that is a pretty good summery of the two. However while Charlie calls the shots, he does seem to actually believe his racist agenda (that's not redeeming sure, but its something), Jonah enjoys tormenting the prisoners, happily goes along with everything his brother does and actively just wants to kill people.

I should have said "potentially worse", not "probably worse".

Either way, I'm still not sure if he counts.

edited 23rd Apr '17 5:54:55 PM by MGD107

Black Ninja, Kokurano, and leaning on Charlie. I'm not sure that he's heinous enough by the relatively high standards of Grimm.

I need to think about Charlie some more, Jonah sounds much more worse.

Anyone else wanna weigh in on Kavaxas?

Slight yea to him

Kavasax

Kavasax, Charlie.

I'm gonna have to Charlie, due to what appears to be a lack of heinousness.

Looks like someone added two of the persona 5 villains to the page's YMMV section while the SMT Monster section doesn't have them

That has to be done by a mod. Give it a bit.

Kavasax

No on Charlie. I think Grimm has been bled dry of qualifiers at this point.

Yeah I agree with Scraggle, discounting Season Six (which I will propose soon as I can), there is only one other character that I can think of who has a chance of counting, and its probably to ambiguous for them to do so.

to Eugene because Lighty didn't really rebut the points that were first made against his inclusion

Have another for tonight:

What's The Work?

One of Studio Madhouse's first works, The Dagger of Kamui is an anime film that adapts a novel series, from the 80s. The plot concerns young Jiro, a boy living in a small village in the last days of the Tokugawa Shogunate. Adopted by a kind innkeeper as a baby, Jiro lives peacefully..until he returns one day to find his adopted mother and sister dead....in horror, he grabs the dagger on the ground, and is promptly caght and blamed by the villagers, sentenced to crucifixion. Jiro flees and is found by the priest Tenkai, who is also a shinobi who works for the Tokugawa Shogunate. Tenkai takes Jiro under his wing to train him to get revenge on the one-armed Shinobi who murdered his family...

Who Is He and What's HE Do?

Jiro finds the one armed man and in a pitched battle...plunges his blade into the Shinobi's heart, whereupon Tenkai finishes him off, and everyone lives happily ever-

Yeah, no, the guy, Tarozo, is entirely innocent. More than that...he's Jiro's biological father. Who was the one behind the murders then? You guessed it...Tenkai! Tenkai is in truth a greedy monster who seeks a lost western treasure that Tarozo was originally assigned to recover. When Tarozo went rogue, Tenkai opted to go after his son and mold him into his follower, tricking Jiro into killing his own father. with that done, Tenkai gives his order to his men: destroy the village and leave no survivors. Every man, woman and child is slaughtered down to the infants.

With this done, Jiro, still in the dark, is sent on a mission to recover the long lost treasure of Captain William Kidd....Tenkai says it's for the use of the Shogunate, but in truth, Tenkai simply desires to use the treasure himself, raise funds and an army and take over all Japan by overthrowing the Shogunate. And if he's gotta kill a whole ton of innocent people, ya can't make an omelet and so forth...Jiro's journeys take him to an old village that Tarozo had previously stayed at...where an elderly villager recognizes Jiro's blade as Tarozo's own...and Jiro learns everything, as his mother Oyaruru is still alive in the village, who reveals the truth: Tarozo abandoned Tenkai's plans, married her and had Jiro...only for Tenkai to step in, kidnap Jiro and send him down the river in a basket, after giving the infant a distinctive scar, intending on using Jiro as an asset one day after time had passed. Realizing things have gone wrong, Tenkai has Oyaruru stabbed to death. Tenkai's men kill Jiro's new allies...when a yong girl is captured by Tenkai, he promises to let her live if she talks, but knowing he intends to torture her and kill her regardless of how she responds, she kills herself with a shuriken while Jiro escapes.

Tenkai dispatches his best men after Jiro who kill more innocents and bystanders in the way,...Jiro ends up escaping Japan, heading to America with new allies...including one of Tenkai's defected Shinobi, a young woman named Oyuki...Tenkai, however, pursues them close behind. When Team Jiro finds the treasure, Tenkai uses the life of Oyuki as leverage and reveals she's Jiro's half-sister by Tarozo. Tenkai had swapped her with another baby at birth and murdered the spare to make Tarozo believe his real daughter was deceased while he raised Oyuki as a kunoichi and asset. In the ensuing fight, Tenkai slashes open Oyuki's robe and leering at her, says it'd be such a shame if she died a virgin, before reaching for her. Oyuki, however, manages to mortally wound him at cost of her own life...

Except, one of Jiro's allies reveals Tenkai killed her father and died soon after...meaning the Tenkai they just killed and the Tenkai killed years ago were body doubles. The real Tenkai is back in Japan. Jiro returns to Japan and fights in the Bakumatsu, until he and Tenkai face off once and for all, and in a final battle, Jiro slays his evil mentor, before departing for lands unknown.

Mitigating Qualities?

Now...Kamui's a dark work, but Tenkai is the ultimate Big Bad with a lot of nasty deeds to his name. With the exception of the Tenkai in America, it's made pretty clear the Tenkai we see is always the original. It leads to a bit of a weird point where he's innocent of killing Oyuki herself, but the double was sent by Tenkai to kill Jiro and team and acted no differently than the real Tenkai would have (so the attempted rape would be the only thing he could said to be innocent of, not for lack of trying)...it's left a bit ambiguous if the body double is a ninja technique (oyuki can also use 'clones' of herself) or if it's just other guys in his guise, since how many eight foot tall mountains of muscle can there be in one country? I digress.

Even aside from this, Tenkai massacres an entire village, kills multitudes of innocents, plans to start a war to put himself in power as Shogun and has a really nasty habit of having family members try to kill one another with varying degrees of success. The guy is never portrayed as anything other than pure evil.

There is one weird moment at the end...when Jiro meets the revolutionary leader Saigo Takamori, the guy...is a dead ringer for Tenkai in looks and build, to the point Jiro looks like he's seen a ghost. Nothing comes of this, and no connection is ever given between the two explicitly. I imagine there was more of an explanation in the novel (possibly the two are brothers), but Tenkai never expresses genuine care for anyone but himself, so pass on this front.

Conclusion?

Tenkai is genuinely one of the most loathsome main villains from an 80s anime film I can remember. Even with the weird bit with a body double, he has the deeds and nastiness to count.

easy, easy keeper.

@ACW: Monster.BIONICLE looks GREAT. Nice job there.

Alright gents, time for the first of my upcoming run of film candidates.

What's the work?

Turkey Shoot (2014) is a loose remake of the cult classic 80s film....well, Turkey Shoot, which myself and Scraggle will be presenting several Keepers from soon.

In the meantime? I'm handling this remake here.

Now then, starring Dominic Purcell as our hero Rick Tyler, this film details the events of Tyler's run through the popular TV show Turkey Shoot, a Hunger Games-like TV show where a criminal, known as the "Turkey", is plopped into a random "arena" alongside several hired killers seeking to kill them.

If the "Turkey" manages to make it to a target destination in time, he wins and moves onto the next levels. If he completes all three levels, he is set free.

Tyler is put into the Games due to his record as failing an assassination attempt on a Libyan dictator, followed by massacring a group of defenseless women and children, and now he has to fight for his life to complete the Turkey Games.

However thus far, no one has completed the Games, as they are all killed in-game by the hired killers. And the number one killer in the games?

RAAAAAAAMROOOOOOOOD'!!!!

Who is he?

Llewyn "Ramrod" is a smug, snarky sociopath who is the top killer in the Turkey Games, having close to 100 kills over the years.

Despite having rather small amounts of screentime, Ramrod here is Tyler's Arch-Enemy and for good reason.

What has he done?

Years ago, Ramrod served as a Marine and eventually ended up working alongside Tyler, who was then a Navy SEAL.

Ramrod is dispatched to Libya as part of a war secretely masterminded by the Big Bad Thatcher (Who sadly doesn't count due to becoming The Atoner), and, due to unknown circumstances, Ramrod and his group cornered close to a dozen defenseless women and children, and planned to gun them all down.

When Tyler tried to stop the massacre, Ramrod shot him numerous times, seemingly killing him, then ordered the women and children executed.

Tyler survived his near death, and Ramrod was approached by General Thatcher to frame Tyler for the crime so as to discredit his attempts at pointing out that he had killed the Libyan dictator, which would end the war known as World War Africa, something that Thatcher did NOT want to happen. Ramrod happily complies, and Tyler is sentenced to life in prison.

Ramrod, meanwhile, becomes hailed as a national hero, and goes on to become the top killer in the televized event the Turkey Games, where criminals are given the chance to win their freedom in a fight to the death.

Ramrod is the TOP killer in the Games, something he is highly proud of, and has racked up a bodycount of close to 100 people (They were mostly criminals, but still pretty bad). His killing method? Stake out at the end destination, then cowardly snipe the Turkeys RIGHT as they are about to win.

In the present, Tyler is selected to participate in the Turkey Games, and Ramrod nakes numerous attempts throughout the film to kill him.

When confronted by Tyler, Ramrod takes every opportunity to mock him about the fact that he was framed, and giddily expresses his complete disconcern over the the people he has killed, caring only for the "fame and money".

Near the end of the flick, Ramrod is caught by Tyler, who orders him to reveal the truth to a nearby TV camera.

Ramrod, near genuinely remorseful, reveals to the camera the truth that Tyler was framed and that he is innocent.

.....At which point he bursts out laughing, proclaiming that the footage will never leave the studio due to a time delay, then makes one last attempt to pull a gun and kill Tyler before Tyler blows his brains out.

Following this, Tyler manages to put out a video that Thatcher made in his final moments before he committed suicide that prove that Tyler is innocent and that Ramrod was the true perpetrator of the massacre, PLUS that fact that the whole World War Africa is for a lost cause. So yay, I suppose.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

None. While he's far more stoic than one would imagine for a guy like this, Ramrod is still a psychotic madman who commits his crimes for fame, fortune, and fun.

The only POSSIBLE redeeming scene he has is when he seems to regretfully reva the truth of Tyler's innocence to a camera...but, as I mentioned, this moment is then obliterated when he breaks out laughing and mocks Tyler for being so stupid as to think the camera is live.

Heinousness?

Not the WORST in-story, that would go to General Thatcher for kickstarting a War for Fun and Profit that has claimed the lives of millions over the years.

With that said, Ramrod is the second worst, and considering his WAY less resources than Thatcher, he still stands out EXTREMELY.

Overall massacred a group of defenseless women and children for unknown reasons, tried to kill Tyler for stopping him before setling for framing him, commits 86 murders throughout the Turkey Games which, though all were criminals, is still pretty darn nasty, especially seeing as he couldn't care less if they were wicked or not as long as he gets famous.

Finally, perhaps his worst crime is the fact that it is all bit outeight states that Ramrod KNOWS the Libyan dictator is dead, and he could end World War Africa, a war that is killing millions, just by alerting this to the public, but chooses not to simply because it would mess with his carefully constructed public image.

Also, some of the criminals that have been in the Turkey Shoot games have their rapsheets stated, with the worst one being a woman who has killed 14 children, but this is mentioned completely offhandedly and it's nowhere near onscreen, so that's not an issue or anything.

Final Verdict?

A firm Keep IMO.

edited 23rd Apr '17 10:12:51 PM by Ravok

A yea to Tenkai and a yea to Ramrod. I'll be having a good influx of film keeps in the coming days myself, some of which I'll be splitting with Ravok, so stay tuned.

Ramrod.

I'll give a to Kavaxas

Tankei and Ramrod

edited 23rd Apr '17 10:53:40 PM by DemonDuckofDoom

Tenkai and Ramrod. Thatcher is The Atoner??? Huh.

edited 24th Apr '17 1:20:29 AM by ACW

Alright, before I get to the original Turkey Shoot with Ravok, I've got another film with something of a similar premise. Surviving the Game, everyone.

What's the setting?

Alright, prepare yourself for a rare sentence... Ice-T vs. Rutger Hauer. And Gary Busey tags along for the fun too. Ice-T plays a down-on-his-luck bum named Mason who loses his family, his dog, his friend Hank, and eventually, his will to live. However, thankfully for Mason here, he's approached by a soup worker named Walter Cole who points him to the hand of a rich hunter named Thomas Burns, played by Rutger Hauer. Burns offers Mason the chance to be a hunting guide for his latest hunt and goads him in with some good pay. Mason accepts the job, flies out with Cole and Burns to a cabin in the middle of a forest far out from the city, meets Burns' hunting party, and goes to sleep after a nice little supper together with his new party. Then he wakes up the next morning with a gun pointed in his face and a major revelation: he is the hunted.

Ladies and gentlemen, The Most Dangerous Game. As presented by Ice-T.

I'm never going to take this job seriously again

Who are Burns and Cole? What have they done?

Yeah, Burns and Cole are manhunters. Literally. Burns is the leader of the hunting party and Cole is his psychopathic second-in-command who takes the role of a humanitarian who goads in desperate, money-hungry vagrants with the promise of a job, only to use them as living sport for Burns' reserve to hunt them down and kill them. Both are equally nasty. We open up the film with Burns chasing down and sticking his latest quarry with a crossbolt through the chest. After Cole ropes in Mason and formal introductions are made (including our antagonistic hunting party for the day, all of whom have paid Burns handsomely for the chance to hunt live man... Wolfe Sr. and his reluctant, trembling son Wolfe Jr., psycho psychiatrist Doc Hawkins, played by Gary Busey, and traumatized cowboy Griffin), Cole and Burns rudely awaken Mason and reveal the true nature of the hunt. Burns starts shooting at Mason to make him run and gives him a headstart, only as long as Burns and the party get to eating their breakfast. As Mason outmaneuvers them and returns to the cabin, he discovers a dark secret in the back room in his frantic search for supplies... a whole collection of the decapitated heads of Burns' and Cole's previous victims — sixteen in all — in jars stacked on shelves, with one empty jar with his name on it. Mason torches the cabin and runs, claiming Griffin's life in the process as Burns and the party track him down. Nobody but Wolfe Jr. gives a shit.

The hunt continues and Mason manages to take Griffin hostage. After a tense little shouting fest, Griffin relates to Mason how he lost his daughter at the hands of some crazy bum who looked like Mason, and Mason relates in turn how his family died at the hands of a house father. The two come to peace and when Burns' party locates Griffin, he's sworn off the hunt and tries to return home. Cole takes the personal pleasure of shooting Griffin through the head, and Burns gives a solid punch to Wolfe Jr. as he panics and sneers at the crying boy to shut up. Mason eventually manages to get a gradual upper hand on the rest of the hunting party and their ranks start to dwindle, eventually managing to claim the lives of all of them but Burns himself. Burns remains apathetic to all of them, strangles Cole to death himself once it's clear he's too wounded to be of any further use to him, and decides to ditch the hunting grounds and leave Wolfe Sr. to be beaten to death by Mason, trying to kill Mason via exploding plane and returning to Seattle. Mason, coldly brushing off the continued calls of Wolfe Sr.'s wife, assumes the identity of a reverend (and we get a great scene with him and a homeless old lady who bumps into him in an alley... Burns gives her a kiss on the head and gives her God's blessings, but the moment she asks him for some spare change, Burns literally just tells her to get lost and storms off) and prepares to leave the country, but Mason manages to track him down and corner him in an alley... subduing him and sabotaging Burns' gun to go off right in his face. Truly Ice-T's finest moment.

Any mitigating factors?

Nada. Burns and Cole have equal responsibility for the hunts here, with Burns leading the hunts and Cole picking out the victims. Almost all of the other hunters have some redeeming qualities as well... the only one who doesn't is Gary Busey's character, and while he's definitely nasty (and gave Burns and Cole the idea for the hunt in the first place) he dies way too soon to make any sort of an impact, leaving all the nastiness to be placed squarely on Burns' and Cole's shoulders. Burns has no care for any of his fellow hunters, either, never caring about them when they die and seeing some of them murdered himself. There is a weird scene where Burns takes his hat off in apparent respect shortly after he kills Cole, but given the fact Burns literally tells Cole to "shut up" as Cole is blubbering in pain from having his legs ripped off, chokes him out without a single emotion on his face, and returns to the hunt whilst never even mentioning Cole again or even making the hunt personal in any regard, I think it's safe to say there's no care on any sides. No redeeming factors with Cole either. He's in the hunt for thrills and money.

Conclusion?

Keep them both. Rutger Hauer is a blast in this movie, too.

Thoughts?

edited 24th Apr '17 1:28:39 AM by Scraggle