Manhwa and Manhua have inconsistent placement in trope lists due to it not really being formalized/stated on Media Categories.
It's been brought up here
, and part of the General Media Category discussion thread here. Some have chosen to put examples from Manhwa and Manhua in the "Anime & Manga" folder, some have chosen to put them in the Comic Books folder, while others choose to give them their own folder. There is no consistency on this site at all.
To give some examples:
- On Ignore the Fanservice, an example from the manhwa Hot Blooded Woman is placed in the "Anime & Manga" folder. The manhwa Pervert Club is also placed in that folder.
- On Berserk Button however, Hot Blooded Woman is placed in a seperate media category asscap titled "manhwa" and under it lists other manhwas.
- Then for Pimped-Out Dress, Hot Blooded Woman is placed in the Comic Books subpage. As well as other manhwas like Dear My Girls and Goong.
- On Cute Witch, commented out ZCE sees a media category/folder for "Eastern Comics" which lists manhwa Witch Hunter under it
What should we do about this?
- Give them their own separate media categories/folders/subpages
- Lump them into "Anime & Manga" media category/folder/subpage
- Lump them into the Comic Books or Webcomics media category/folder/subpage in accordance to their medium
- Lump them into an "Eastern Comics" or "Eastern Comic Books" media category/folder/subpage
EDIT: Ok, so it seems we will also discuss the namespaces Manhua/ and Manhwa/ as well and whether on it not we need them or if we should just merge them into Comic Book/ and Webcomic/. But to keep this thread on focus, the namespace talk will be discussed here
EDIT 2: The thread decided that Manhwa/ and Manhua/ are worth keeping as namespaces after all.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 24th 2024 at 4:17:01 AM
How long will this crowner run, by the way?
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Current rule is a minimum of seven days plus however long it takes for there to be a clear consensus.
Speaking of which, I'm mildly baffled that both this crowner and the other one seem to favor treating Manhwa/Manhua as mediums of their own, considering the Light Novel namespace crowner went the other direction. 🤷♂️
Edited by StarSword on Jan 24th 2024 at 11:19:58 AM
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It was explained a few times, but the issue is that comics are already split into a million sub-namespaces including Manga/. Light Novel had even less value as it was just "books, in Japan" without even a precedent.
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Not super knowledgeable on Light Novels, but I think we do sorta have precedent. Literature and Comic Books often share the same medium (books or magazines), but with very different formats. Light Novel seems to be between the two, as illustrated fiction with prose and pictures.
Light Novel looks kind of nebulous as a term. It's heavily associated with Japan, but we didn't quite restrict it as such, like we do with Anime and Manga (outside the unresolved OEL Manga).
This would be comparable to Manhwa and Manhua if we decided Light Novels are just Japanese Illustrated Fiction, and had one or more namespaces for the rest of it. But neither of those are the case, and the namespace got cut.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
I mean, this isn't the place to debate Light Novel. But the main argument was that even the illustrations didn't somehow make it a different medium; books are illustrated all the time. The namespace was utterly redundant, and that's what it boiled down to. Manhwa/ and Manhua/ at least share precedent with Manga/, which is an immovable roadblock in the way.
Since this has already been decided, I just wanted to explain the mentality.
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That's fair. I got a bit too focused on the "books, in Japan" comment, and I should've at least checked the thread before retreading it.
Edited by N1KF on Jan 24th 2024 at 12:45:08 PM
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Alright, it's on Day 5 of the crowner (so two days more to go) and the consensus is leaning heavily on giving examples from Manhwa and Manhua their own respective folders in tropelists.
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It's been 1 week since crowner creation, and the consensus is to put examples Manhwa into their own separate "Manhwa" folder in trope lists, and examples from Manhua into their own separate "Manhua" folder.
We have a 21:2 (10.50 : 1) ratio for that option
The option to put examples from Manhwa/Manhua into the Anime & Manga folder has been very downvoted, meaning that the troperbase agrees not to do that and that we should disallow it.
Requesting to call the crowner.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 30th 2024 at 12:08:55 AM
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Once the crowner is called, we should begin removing the examples that have been placed in Anime & Manga sections, right? Fortunately it won't be too much work.
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Moving, yes; removing, no. Unless they're wrong.
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The only time they stay is if the example is specifically from the anime adaptation.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
...In which, as mentioned, it should be under Anime/ to begin with (even if it's using a redirect)
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Calling the crowner for:
Place examples from Manhwa and Manhua into their own folders (Examples from Manhwa go into a separate "Manhwa" folder while examples from Manhua go into a separate "Manhua" folder)
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There is inconsistency on the Wiki as to which folders/subpages examples from Manhwa and Manhua should be placed in trope lists. What folder should examples from Manhwa and Manhua go in?
Gonna make my vote public
I upvoted the option to place examples from Manhwa and Manhua into their own respective folders
However, I also upvoted the option to place them into the Comic Books folder is we had to lump them into a certain media category/folder
I downvoted the Eastern Comics option, and definitely downvoted the option to lump them into the Anime & Manga folder. Because again, I think it makes zero sense to put them into a folder about Japanese comics and cartoons.
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