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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#1: Apr 2nd 2023 at 6:36:19 PM

But Not Too Black has been redefined by the Trope Repair Shop to cover In-Universe cases of colorism rather than colorism by the entertainment industry. As such, the current page image (shown) no longer fits the definition in my opinion.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/loreal_640.jpg
Not even Beyoncé is exempt from this trope.

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#2: Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:29:26 PM

Pull current regardless of replacement for not fitting the revised definition.

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#3: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:15:27 PM

Can't help but think of this:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/frozonefury.png

Now cue Frozone's rant with Samuel L. Jackson's voice.

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#4: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:18:00 PM

[up] [tup] Suggestion

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#5: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:32:50 PM

Well, the trope has been redefined to be about a character who face in-universe colorism/discrimination for their darker skin tone so a potential image needs to reflect that

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 2nd 2023 at 2:16:17 PM

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#6: Apr 2nd 2023 at 11:13:47 PM

The suggestion isn't any better, so [tdown] to that. The trope is about characters who are discriminated against by other characters because of their dark skin color, which neither the current nor the suggestion shows.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 2nd 2023 at 1:21:32 PM

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#8: Apr 3rd 2023 at 6:17:45 AM

Looked through the on-page examples that were left after The Purge, and the only real possibility would be the example from Dumbing of Age if somebody can find the source. (The Booty Royale example is usable in terms of format, but it includes a rather over-the-top rape threat directed at the protagonist so I'm against using it.)

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#9: Apr 3rd 2023 at 8:49:32 AM

[tup]3 with the caption, "They made me a white guy?" It is a valid example: the image on the right is an in-universe cartoon that lightened Frozone's skin, much to his offense.

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#10: Apr 3rd 2023 at 9:13:33 AM

[up] It really isn't. It fits the old definition, but it's not Frozone directly being subjected to discrimination. [tdown]

Edited by badtothebaritone on Apr 3rd 2023 at 1:00:09 PM

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#11: Apr 3rd 2023 at 9:57:16 AM

[up][up]Macron and I already explained why it isn't a valid example.

I'd appreciate it if folks would read the revised description (as well as posts commenting on what was changed) before voting on an image.

Edit: I'm tempted to vote BUPKIS on this one, but I'll hold off to see if anyone finds something that illustrates the revised definition.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 3rd 2023 at 12:08:37 PM

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#12: Apr 3rd 2023 at 10:08:30 AM

I think a black person having a lighter skin in a cartoon may be not an example of discrimination, but it is still very much an example of colorism

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#13: Apr 3rd 2023 at 10:09:03 AM

Discrimination is required by the definition, though.

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#14: Apr 3rd 2023 at 12:59:13 PM

The first thing that came to mind is this Family Guy screencap (specifically from the episode "Turban Cowboy" according to a quick Google search) that became a meme a while back. Can't find a screenshot without the station ident in the corner.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/family_guy_skincover.jpg
Gives "throwing shade" a whole new meaning.

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#15: Apr 3rd 2023 at 1:03:25 PM

That image (a meme of it?) is on Profiling.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 3rd 2023 at 4:04:10 AM

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#16: Apr 3rd 2023 at 1:07:47 PM

[up]Ah, wasn't aware of that, sorry.

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#17: Apr 3rd 2023 at 1:09:40 PM

[up][up] It's also not demonstrating the trope either. This trope is a type of colorism, where darker skin individuals receive prejudice compared to lighter skinned parts of their own race.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#19: Apr 3rd 2023 at 2:47:52 PM

I could use the Frozone image in the Adaptational Colorism TLP draft I started to catch some of the examples that were removed from But Not Too Black after the redefinition.

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#20: Apr 3rd 2023 at 2:53:32 PM

[up]No objections to using that image for that draft.

As for this trope, my position is still pull regardless of replacement, but I think my idea of voting BUPKIS was hasty. If nobody finds a good image soon, I'd be fine with closing with no pic for now without making this BUPKIS. (Not a mod statement, especially because I don't usually moderate IP anyway.)

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#21: Apr 3rd 2023 at 4:04:13 PM

I think we should change the image on Profiling to 14, since the current is edited. The station bug isn't a dealbreaker.

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#23: Apr 3rd 2023 at 4:41:00 PM

I'm also fine with that [tup]

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#24: Apr 3rd 2023 at 6:11:50 PM

Moot point, I was able to find a version without the station bug.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/family_guy_profiling.jpg

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#25: Apr 3rd 2023 at 6:47:01 PM

Agreed with the suggested change for Profiling's image.

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