Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'm holding off on cutting Time After Time dude for now (I reversed the cut), but I'll process the Maw and Etelgar tomorrow, since those seem pretty clear-cut.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Any opinions on this? Only Passing Through had gave a response.
Lord of Space
Don't know why I find myself correcting so many Disney entries recently, but here I am once more lmao.
- 101 Dalmatian Street: Cruella de Vil, the one and only Devil Woman, returns in this series to seek revenge on the descendants of Pongo and Perdita. The decades since the original movie have turned Cruella into a harridan by harridan's standards who now acts with full regard to the Dalmatians' sapience. Cruella plans to mince all 99 of the puppies in her very own skinning machine, intending to force their parents Doug and Delilah to watch the entire macabre process before turning them into "matching luggage". Cruella is also hideously abusive to her grand-nephew Hunter, at one point leaving him locked in a shipping container for six months with only dog food to eat, resulting in the poor kid undergoing Sanity Slippage. When he
finally snaps under her abusediscovers that she actually intends to kill the puppies and calls her a monster, Cruellacallouslytakes it as a complement beforeordersordering to have his henchmen to have him caged up with the puppies.because she has grown bored of him.
Not the Eye
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Fine with changing it.
Keep Bunny and gonna wait for more opinions on Barnes.
Cut Maw and for Eltegar, how bad exactly is his multiversal conquest plot portayed?
Edited by EmperorGeode on Apr 27th 2024 at 12:59:35 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fine with changing it as well.
As for Cruella, I'm also fine with the changes.
EDIT: Nox, I see you added it to the Disney Sandbox. That's cool, but don't forget the YMMV.
Edited by ACW on Apr 27th 2024 at 4:29:00 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Cut Barnes, keep Bunny
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'm not sure about Bunny. He DOES mention Manny again (using the knife to cut Manny's throat).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Yeah, but he seems to be justifying it, since it's clear that the others are horrified by what he did.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
True...but the question is does HE believe it?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
When it comes down to the Tales of Arcadia, I’m pretty sure it’s mentioned by Merlin that all of existence is at stake and that they want to wipe out everything, so I think the two being Omnicidal Maniac
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
Lies and Violence!
So I don't know anything about the Red Dead franchise, but I saw this in Colm O'Driscoll's folder:
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones:
- Played straighter with his second-in-command Tom, whom he regards as a brother-in-arms. He writes him a very personal letter confiding in him about his personal mistakes and regrets, and overall is the only person with whom we've seen him allow himself to be vulnerable.
The original EP doesn't mention any of this. Again, not familiar with the game myself, so just wanted to check with those in the know if any of this holds up.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I mean that doesn't seem redeeming personally. Being vulnerable with someone doesn't automatically mean you care about them, but I haven't played the game in years. So, I will wait for more opinions.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
So, I went to search for it. Here's the letter.
Edited by TrippEverett on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:49:50 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah I don't know how to take that. It is especially odd since when he is actually being hung, he bassically says he has no regrets. For the most part it doesn't seem caring, but the end does give me pause. Leaning cut.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 27th 2024 at 5:55:10 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Isn't he lying? Like he talks about how he is accepting of death or hopes to see him on the other side. But from what I remember he was planning on escaping his execution and that only went wrong because it was sabotaged.
The First man
Caesar
Uh yeah that letter is just full of veiled threats he wants Tom to carry out and his proclamations of his acceptance of his demise are lies. Even when he's finally done for he ends things openly bragging of his crimes and reiterating "I been a bad man!" with cheer.
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Okay good points. I thought it read weird. I also forgot that he was planning to escape. Voting keep.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 27th 2024 at 6:10:28 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Keep Bunny, abstaining on Barnes
Definitely keep Colm
This is exactly what my idea was supposed to prevent. I feel like no one even considered whether it would be a good idea.
I understand you have the right to disagree with me, but I feel really disrespected.
Edited by LarryT on Apr 27th 2024 at 5:56:33 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Classy, Refined, Unstable
The most I recall is along the lines of "everything" but Bellroc and Skrael just harp on about specifically resetting the Earth not wiping out the universe.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
The Moron
Someone found something suspicious on the wiki that wasn’t mentioned in the EP, he brought it here not for a cut but to verify if it was accurate, and the people who knew the work verified that it’s not disqualifying. That’s the kind of wiki outreach and coordination that we need to be doing and why people disagreed with your rule. I’m sorry that you felt your idea was disregarded but frankly no one was disrespectful to you.
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Keep Tom… I mean Colm.
Still waiting to hear more on Barnes.
Edited by MasterJoseph on Apr 27th 2024 at 5:27:31 AM
IPP Wick Check created.
Not the Eye
Keep Colm
Edited by EmperorGeode on Apr 27th 2024 at 4:23:41 AM
pronounced 'Scraggle'
Larry, no one was disrespecting you. We've elaborated on why we're not—and why we shouldn't—be making that suggestion policy.
Move on, please.
Watch for the sign of the Saint — he will be back!
Caesar
Who is Tom, here? We're talking Colm O'Driscoll...Tom is just the character he's speaking to, so idk why we're saying keep Tom lol
Edited by Ravok on Apr 27th 2024 at 4:22:52 AM
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
Keep Bunny.
Gonna wait and hear more on Barnes from another person. There may be reliance on ACI.
Edited by MasterJoseph on Apr 27th 2024 at 2:10:09 AM
IPP Wick Check created.