Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Gone with Kor.
Noting here that Monster.Fan Works is throwing an "overly long page" warning, so it needs to be split or pared down.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Goku Black
Cut kor and Beatrice
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lizzid people!
Might have to make some subpages from what it seems.
Lord of Space
Wondering if Midas's entry from Cult of the Lamb should be expanded with his actions in Relics of the Old Faith or if it's not worth mentioning those.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
Sure, if it doesn't disqualify him.
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
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I am confused, why are we discussing all of echidnas’s candidates?
Edited by LarryT on Jan 10th 2024 at 3:00:41 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Goku Black
We aren't? That's only a nuclear option. And shouldn't be used for every troper.
Were just checking if any other eps have issues.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lord of Space
It doesn't, but it's not much either since there he just robs some graves and attacks the Lamb to steal their money, although I guess it does remove the one debatable mitigating quality of him having respect and/or honor towards the Lamb.
Edited by CapitanoNox on Jan 10th 2024 at 12:01:52 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Cut Kor. I was worried that Kor from Jak and Daxter was meant.
Larry T: The fact is that, as it turned out, Beatrice’s proposal was plagiarized and completely copied from the site where the user himself came from. It is simply checking whether other proposals of this user are not copied from the Fandom article. Siegfried 1337 suggested cutting them all out, comparing this to the situation with G, but Star suggests just checking them all, which is what we do. And Beatrice re-suggest Siegfried 1337, for which many thanks to him.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
I missed that, to me it didn’t seem like a recurring issue enough to warrant this. Thanks for the explanation.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
That, and the user proposing Kaya and turning out to have been knowingly dishonest in the EP.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Chop Kor
Gentle Laborer
So, I spent the last hour investigating Echidna's proposals... Things are not looking good. Virtually most, if not all, of his proposals seem like condensed versions of FANDOM articles, it's not exactly full-on "plagiarism" but it's obvious that he was using the articles as templates for his proposals. There's major evidence confirming this: They are structured similarly and the EPs lack original information coming from his own experience with the work, everything he writes is corroborated by FANDOM...
Which brings us to the worrying possibility that Echidna didn't play or watch the works and just got the idea to propose the characters from reading about them, and this leads to the even worse possibility that some of his candidates have mitigating qualities that Echidna wasn't aware of, reading about them is not the same thing as consuming an entire work. To be honest, with all that has happened, I don't have much faith in the possibility that he watched all 58 episodes of Voice or played all Kingdom Hearts games.
I was open for leniency before, but now it seems that removing all of the candidates really is the safest option.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 10th 2024 at 1:20:12 PM
I can vouch for Vanitas from Kingdom Hearts counting
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jan 10th 2024 at 8:21:22 AM
The Ultimate Lifeform
I freely admit that I haven't played all the KH games (in fact I only played one) but I have watched lets plays of some of the ones I didn't sans KHII, and KHIII. And one of the ones I saw was of Birth by Sleep where Vanitas originates. And I swear that Vanitas was kind of Made of Evil? The writeup itself even mentions that he was extracted from Ventus' Heart...
Edited by ForgoLight on Jan 10th 2024 at 8:27:32 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Showtime!
A) leaning for a full purge of Echidna's examples, if that's the case
B) Can anyone help me tally the current cut votes for Kor, vs the proposal votes?
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Goku Black
Oh uh KHIII has him go on a speech about how he chooses to be like this and Dark road reveals he actualy predates ventus
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Ultimate Lifeform
Okay, fair enough. Again, never played the games other than one, and I don't even remember Vanitas getting proposed, much less approved, so I know I didn't upvote him.
Edited by ForgoLight on Jan 10th 2024 at 8:36:31 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Not the Eye
Gentle Laborer
If more people can vouch for Echidna's examples, that'd be great. If not, most of them will have to go.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oof, that's troublesome. For my video game examples, even if I hadn't played the game (Darkseid) or if it'd been awhile (Contra), I watch the cutscenes.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Cut Kor