Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I've created a Hellraider sandbox for swapping, and Trevor's cut there.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Weren't we supposed to add OG Frank cotton from The Hellbound Heart (I could read it and do him if you want). Examples like that are why the site doesn't have a similarity between adaptations isn't allowed rule. As the film and book well faithful ended up spinning into two totally different continuties.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lizzid people!
I'd be open to hearing it out, since the continuity thing.
Not the Eye
I say go ahead mir.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Also, lemme do something.
Current:
- The Scarlet Gospels: The Hell Priest, better known as "Pinhead", is the result of Clive Barker wishing to strip the character of any redeeming qualities. The Hell Priest systematically exterminates the world's magicians or tortures them mentally, physically and sexually to death or until they are broken, mutilated slaves. This achieved, he exterminates the Cenobite Order of the Gash in order to lead a resurgent Hell under Lucifer's banner. When it turns out Lucifer himself despises these plans and has no intention of trying to dominate the rest of creation, the Hell Priest steals his armor and attempts to kill Lucifer himself to unite Hell under his own power and subject everything that lives to the worst tortures he can devise.
Slight rewrite:
- The Scarlet Gospels: The Hell Priest, better known as "Pinhead", is the result of the character stripped of any redeeming qualities. The Hell Priest systematically exterminates the world's magicians or tortures them mentally, physically, and sexually to death or until they are broken, mutilated slaves. This achieved, he exterminates the Cenobite Order of the Gash in order to lead a resurgent Hell under Lucifer's banner. When it turns out Lucifer himself despises these plans and has no intention of trying to dominate the rest of creation, the Hell Priest steals his armor and attempts to kill Lucifer himself to unite Hell under his own power and subject everything that lives to the worst tortures he can devise.
An Eldritch Troper
I don't know if this is the correct place to post an overdue write-up, but I'm not participating in voting of new proposals so I decided to take it here. This one has been due by over a month, and PMs to the poster have not addressed it, so here's the entry:
- "Houris of Our Town": Nikifor Yushkin is a bookkeeper who hires a prostitute named Ulyana Anisimova, assaulting her when he saw scars on her fingers. After Ulyana fights back and escapes, Nikifor tortures and murders women out of resentment, possibly raping them and mutilating their fingers to resemble Ulyana's scars. Nikifor keeps twelve of his victims in a garage, and tracks down Ulyana to murder her before his demise.
Slot him in between Zubkov and Mikhalych.
Edited by Draxterrus on May 12th 2023 at 6:23:46 PM
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Cut time.
from Star Wars Battlefield II, Gideon Hask.
From the book, concerning his parents which I think was missed by the original proposal:
I think he's an easy cut
Edited by Lightysnake on May 12th 2023 at 12:04:54 PM
Cut Gideon, clearly mourned his parents and I'm assuming he never somehow subverts that
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Not the Eye
Cut Gideon
Goku Black
Cut Gideon.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ultimate Moral Compass
Cut Trevor and Gideon
"No running in the halls!"
Cut gideon. At least we still have the other Gideon.
The Draftsman of Doom
Cut Gideon. Good catch.
Feels good, don't it?
Cut Gideon
Edited by Echidna on May 12th 2023 at 3:26:13 PM
Easy cut.
Axe Gideon
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Lies and Violence!
Been meaning to look into that, cut Gideon and Trevor.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Gideon seems like a cut assuming, as said, he never subverts that.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Moron
Can confirm that he never does - cut Gideon
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Rewrites.
RIP Toriyama
Gideon indeed should be cut, I found the quote listed above in Inferno Squadron and while it's only the one paragraph and only real mention of his folks in the book, it's not something that is ever subverted or dismissed, so chalking their deaths up to "expendable" or some such just doesn't fit.
Edited by Ravok on May 12th 2023 at 7:49:19 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
I okay with cutting Gideon Hask. I assumed that since he never mentioned his parents he would have no longer cared for them and was solely motivated by his fanatical devotion (it was a while ago), but if he isn’t shown to have subverted his care (like saying he didn’t love them or were expendable, etc) then sure we can cut him and leave it at that
Edited by G-Editor on May 13th 2023 at 12:19:10 PM
An Eldritch Troper
Found this entry at The Troop:
- Dr. Clive Edgerton is a sociopathic geneticist who originally created the tapeworms as a potential weight loss aide, but secretly modified a strain of them into weapons of biological warfare for military weaponry agencies. He is completely unfazed and unmoved when studying the effects of the tapeworms on test animals that leave his coworker horrified and sobbing, tricks Tom Padgett into becoming Patient Zero and shows an utter lack remorse for the horrors that occurred as a result of his creations. He expounds on how humanity's compassion is its ultimate weakness, since (by his estimations) the desire to help the sick and the weak will ensure that the tapeworms will keep being passed on to more people.
Can anyone comment? It's not in the subpages and Lighty did the EP for Shelley if anyone's interested.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Cut Trevor
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