Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Showtime!
Reposting this quote because I didn't get a response last time
Not the Eye
Love the quote.
For Odalia's write up on The Owl House I don't think it's necessary to spoil the whole thing, just the bit about her being in on the genocide and maybe the part about forcing Alador to work in the factory, the rest isn't really a spoiler and her being a CM in general isn't a surprise either
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Pensive Wright
Found these for Koichi Shidou:
- Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas: He loves his mother deeply and her suicide still hurts him in the present. He (rightfully) blames his father for it.
- Trapped in Villainy: Implied. All he wanted was to become a teacher, which he accomplishes. However, this did not sit well with his father, who wanted him to follow him into politics. Despite this, his father still has control over him as he was able to force Shidou to flunk Rei since her father is one of his father's political adversaries/critics.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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I'll trust y'all. Feel free to play with that at the YMMV.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
If accurate, that does sound like a reason to cut.
Unless someone disproves that, cut Shidou.
So, this isn’t necessarily a cut request, but I just have a question. It’s about Sigma from Sonic the Hedgehog/Mega Man: Worlds Unite. In Sonic Universe #77, X offhandedly mentions that Sigma turned Maverick because of the Maverick Virus
◊, just like in the games. I assumed the Virus is why he doesn’t count in the games (and that the absence of it is why he does count in Maverick Hunter X & the manga). Am I assuming wrong? Thanks.
Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Apr 25th 2023 at 11:59:56 AM
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
May lean cut on Shidou if those supposed qualities are true, plus from what I have read, his kill count appears low for baseline material.
May edge keep on Archie!Sigma if that is little more than a one-off line that does not go into detail.
My mind on these may change though.
IPP Wick Check created.
Cut Shidou.
Barb / Temporary Kylo
Could someone familiar with the work comment on Shidou? Not voting till then.
The First man
Classy, Refined, Unstable
I can't find the original EP but I did find this comment from Lighty from 6 (fucking hell lmao) years ago in 2017.
Yeah I did see the anime and read the manga of High School of The Dead and I did try to get Shidou cut though back then the argument to support Shidou to stay was against me so I left it alone.
I do remember Shidou's backstory of having to endure an abusive father (Shidou described his father to be a tyrant) who drove his mother to drink herself to death with Shidou attending her funeral when he was young and mourning her passing, with his present self saying that "he [his father] made my mother suffer" (here's the episode where that all took place). I still vote to cut Shidou, but I will hear what other's can say.
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Yeah that second entry does seem to be a misuse. I remember from that manga that he said he showed zero hesitation flunking Rei and showed no remorse about it along with leaving two of his students to be devoured by zombies. You can at least remove that
Edited by G-Editor on Apr 26th 2023 at 3:26:01 AM
I don't know if I can talk here, but about Shidou, I don't think the second thing that was mentioned on his character page is a prevention. He was never forced into villany, the guy chose to become a murderer and sadistic prick by choice, and his father had nothing todo with it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Trent's rewrite needs to go to the Drafts.
So does Strucker's (what changed?).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Anyone mind this expansion for Adam Price from Dust Devils
- Complete Monster: Chief vampire Adam Price is an ancient monster who was the scourge of Europe. Arriving in the American West as the head of an acting troupe, Price uses this as a way to find victims. Sweeping from town to town, Price massacres many who cross his path, regardless of age or gender. After converting the unfaithful wife of hero Cody Wilson, Price decides to punish Cody for his dogged pursuit by massacring most of an entire town during a performance and trying to burn Cody's new Love Interest alive. Adam then opts to track down Cody's father and stepmother to murder them slowly before he has Cody tortured to death.
- Expansion : Complete Monster: Chief vampire Adam Price is an ancient monster who was the scourge of Europe. Arriving in the American West as the head of an acting troupe, Price uses this as a way to find victims. Sweeping from town to town, Price massacres many who cross his path, regardless of age or gender. Price has his minions rape and murder the sisters of the child Willet Black and than cannibalizes his grandfather. After converting the unfaithful wife of hero Cody Wilson, Price decides to punish Cody for his dogged pursuit by massacring most of an entire town during a performance and trying to burn Cody's new Love Interest alive. Adam then opts to track down Cody's father and stepmother to murder them slowly before he has Cody tortured to death. Ultimately Price elects to intentionally leave his minions to die in order to save his own hide, before revealing he that after he kills Cody that he'll just restart his carnage in a new town.
Not the Eye
Yes to the Adam rewrite.
Eh no issue cutting Shidou
The Draftsman of Doom
Cut Shidou.
Rawr.
Not the Eye
Cut Shidou
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'm fine with the expansion. Cut Shidou.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Cut Shidou
Cut Shidou
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Cut Shidou
Bye
Cut Shidou
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Rewrites.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."