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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#4051: Dec 10th 2022 at 1:25:47 PM

G that should be posted in the new mosnter thread, not this one.

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G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#4052: Dec 10th 2022 at 1:27:18 PM

[up] yeah I just realized and got rid of that post here

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 9th 2022 at 11:32:10 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4053: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:22:02 AM

I know the mods aren't sure what would be needed to get the approval threads back opened so I'm not asking that, but would it make sense to at least draft an OP for now so we can get a feel for the kind of environment we want to create? I made one before but it was deleted because those threads weren't approved yet, but would it be a useful tool to establish the kind of environment we want those threads to have?

If not, I apologize for the potential badgering, I just want to help out if I can.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#4054: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:59:33 AM

I think drafting O Ps for the approval thread is fine.

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#4055: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:59:49 AM

I think drafting OPs for the approval threads is fine.

Edited by MacronNotes on Dec 11th 2022 at 12:02:04 PM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4056: Dec 11th 2022 at 9:55:04 AM

Alright, like I said before, I had posted one before but it got deleted - here it is, cause I think it still works:

    CM - EP Thread 

Welcome to the Complete Monster Effort Post thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread, please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, to avoid mod intervention, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the US release date), as well as for if the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If they're a shorter character, such as a comic book one-shot, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an Effort Post (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 24-hour discussion period, where people may ask questions about the candidate. Once this period has passed, users may vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup on the thread, send it to the drafts page, and voila! Your candidate will soon be added to both the CM subpage and, if the work has a page, to the relevant YMMV page. It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be discussing a maximum of two works at a time. If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!note 

  2. No plagiarism. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble if the material on it is found to be plagiarized from another source. You can source some pieces of it, but any wholesale copying will not only convince the thread that you have not actually consumed the work in question (and thus the candidate will be downvoted), but it will lead to mod intervention in repeated instances.

  3. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  4. We use our own criteria for what constitutes a Complete Monster and do not care what another site uses for their criteria. Do not reference other sites approving a character for their CM equivalent as a reason why we should approve them; this will very quickly lead to mod intervention.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion - it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the Candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography - who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required) what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do - for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case - but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should compare what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers), the amount of time they have to work with (such as the aforementioned one-shot versus long-running antagonists), the quality vs. quantity of their crimes compared to others, etc. Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!

How does this look? If it looks fine, I can begin drafting the MB version since they can be pretty similar (the only main thing I'll have to change is the EP portion), but I'm obviously open to suggestions for improvement!

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The Timeless One
#4059: Dec 11th 2022 at 12:53:55 PM

So just where could you propose a new entry if the threads are locked?

"I am the lord of Purity, who tolerates no deviation." My first online story
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#4060: Dec 11th 2022 at 12:55:23 PM

We're not proposing anyone yet, right now it's just cleaning up existing entries

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G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#4062: Dec 11th 2022 at 1:27:01 PM

Love it, STAR!

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#4063: Dec 11th 2022 at 2:05:06 PM

Looks good to me [tup]

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#4064: Dec 11th 2022 at 3:33:47 PM

Good job STAR. Yeah, I assume multiple Tropers are probably prepping new proposals while waiting for the moment that the new thread launches. Of course, then comes the scheduling and filling slots for when each EP from which Troper is allowed to be posted too though.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4065: Dec 11th 2022 at 3:37:00 PM

Good work there STAR!

Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#4066: Dec 11th 2022 at 4:16:10 PM

I actually might have a proposal (or two? I'll explain when we get there) but obviously there's a lot to tackle first so I'm more than happy to just wait for things to calm down, so... don't worry about me while trying to figure out the EP schedules and stuff tongue

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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The Draftsman of Doom
themayorofsimpleton Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him from Elsewhere (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4070: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:28:14 PM

Probably a stupid question but if there's a new work's discussion date has reached and there's no viable proposal, do we note it in the cleanup or proposal thread?

Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#4071: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:32:30 PM

People have begun to do it in the cleanup thread already, but admittedly I have been wondering if that was proper.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#4072: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:33:03 PM

Right now, that has happened and it’s being said in the cleanup threads, so presumably there.

[nja]

Edited by MasterN on Dec 11th 2022 at 8:33:14 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#4073: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:33:50 PM

Once the approval threads are opened they should happen there, but for now it's largely happening in the cleanup just to knock it out of the way and so people can knock it off their lists of things to do. It means that once the approval threads open, we can focus on the missed works that actually have proposals

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 11th 2022 at 11:34:14 AM

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#4074: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:44:18 PM

Alright cheers for answering all!

Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Orangutans Since: May, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#4075: Dec 11th 2022 at 10:24:47 PM

I noticed we've got a CM page back up. When will the MB page be back up?


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