A thread offering assistance and support for tropers covering Marvel's many, many stories and characters.
This includes the shared Marvel Universe, but not the cultural Disney juggernaut known as the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). One of our aims is to disentangle tropes and characters from the MCU adaptations from pages about their source material.
This scope does cover Marvel comic, manga and webcomic stories, characters and tropes that are unconnected to that shared Marvel Universe - e.g. their licensed Star Wars, Alien and Predator stories.
As of September 2021, there were about 27,000 Marvel comics published across 4,900 or so different series. They started publishing in the 1940s as Timely Comics, then became Atlas Comics and - eventually - Marvel. As a consequence, Marvel have a lot of Comic Book and Characters pages on the site (and have recently started publishing Webcomics as well).
The sheer scale of this means that there's so much material (with dozens of new comics added each week) that no one troper is likely to own or read all of it - especially as there are big gaps in what's available digitally or reprinted (and licensed characters and legal issues mean that certain stories may never be reprinted at all).
And that can make troping their shared universe pretty tricky - even Marvel's own creative teams have been known to lose track now and then.
We've got tropers busily revising existing pages, while others add new information weekly as new comics are published. This thread's here to help with any queries that generates, to focus work on particular pages that could use improvement, and to help ensure that we tackle works page names and other aspects in a consistent way that makes sense to readers navigating between different Marvel-related pages (as well as following best practice for the wiki as a whole).
Feel free to post here to draw attention to relevant posts or threads elsewhere - e.g. if examples, images, captions and quotes, or spoiler policies for these pages are under discussion.
There are existing threads and standard guidelines for those topics (e.g. Image Pickin' has its own, very structured, process), and this shouldn't duplicate any of that - but tropers reading this thread may wish to vote or comment once they know about those discussions.
- If there's a consistent creative team, they should be named in the introduction. Ideally, include inkers and colorists as well as other artists.
- The page image doesn't always have to be the first issue cover.
- Pages for arcs, runs and events should include the relevant titles and issue numbers.
- Pages should include start and end dates in the introduction
- Links regarding particular characters (e.g. Wolverine) should go to their Characters page, not their ComicBook page.
- As a rule, characters in Marvel Universe continuity only get one Character page profile, regardless of how many different series they appear in. However:
- Alternate Universe and Bad Future variants may justify their own profile, and sometimes the same can be said for Split Personality scenarios.
- It may be appropriate to add a character to a relevant Character page with an intro and a link to their full profile on another page (e.g. many villains have been major characters in several different series)
- Creation of any new Character-Specific Pages, and proposals to merge any of them back into other pages, should go via the Character Specific Pages cleanup thread
, but it's worth posting here as well.
- If you're splitting, merging or moving characters between different Character pages, it's worth checking with the Character Page Cleanup thread as well as posting here.
Relevant sandboxes
- Marvel Comics Sandboxes - list of relevant sandbox pages for launches, splits and mergers.
- Marvel Characters Pages: Spoiler Limits - Progress on the Character page spoiler tagging cleanup
- ComicBook Duplicate Images - Images used on multiple works pages
Edited by Mrph1 on Sep 1st 2023 at 12:48:21 PM
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I don't believe it's been called Ultimate Marvel yet actually, from what I've seen, only Ultimate Universe.
Huh. The event seems rather different from what Donny Cates outlined in Venom (Vol. 4), which ended with the Maker back on a decimated Earth-1610 and plotting to restore it by merging it with Earth-616. I guess Hickman took over from Cates after the latter's severe car accident last year—he's recovering, but has amnesia and is missing chunks of memory from the last several years.
I think it should be if I’m not mistaken about the Universe designation, Marvel Comics Earth 6160 or something along those lines because Ultimate Marvel 2023 feels clunky
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I wouldn't mind putting them under Earth-6160, like you said, it's less clunky, and with the page title limit, has less chances of resulting with problems in the future altho I'm not sure we do that with any other universe though. For 616 for example, we just put them under "Marvel Comics", not Earth-616.
We can't really use precedent from the older Ultimate Universe because that one is divided trough its works, not say, Ultimate Marvel Ultimates or something.
Edited by JDMA12 on Oct 1st 2023 at 1:22:34 PM
I’m currently working on a Marvel Comics Multiverse and a Marvel Comics Battleworld to cover different random multiverse worlds and their inhabitants
Venomverse Characters is a go. I spent a couple of hours filling out what I could.
The Formatter
Looks good.
Regarding Multiverse Character subheadings, for now, I'd just stick with the original Ultimate Universe 2023 name as that seems to be more accurate. Using universe names seems messy to me, and makes things harder to link to. I did try and reorganize the characters similar to the MCU, as seen here, but the project stalled on me.
Regarding the Spider-Man character pages, do I have enough support to merge the pages? I'd be launching Marvel Comics J Jonah Jameson at the same time. It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Ultimate Marvel 2023 just sounds clumsy especially since it’s not about one particular book
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I'd say go on with the Spider-Man mergers.
The Formatter
Ok the Spider-Man mergers are done. I just need to fix all the links. Edit: I fixed the links.
Edited by GateStarX on Oct 3rd 2023 at 7:47:52 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
The Formatter
I decided to look at Hawkeye and I updated the page to reflect Hawkeye: Kate Bishop. I moved all the character tropes to their respective pages and reorganized the series tropes into folders. I also crosswicked tropes to Hawkeye (2012). Because I moved all the character tropes, Clint Barton is over 40K so I made a page for him here, although I accidentally used the "Characters" namespace instead of a sandbox. If anyone wants to look at the pages that would be great.
I also split off vol. 5 from Hawkeye: Kate Bishop to Hawkeye (2016), but now Hawkeye: Kate Bishop needs love for the 2022 series if anyone's read it.
Edited by GateStarX on Oct 6th 2023 at 11:30:55 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
I’m slowly merging the X-23 Supporting Characters into Wolverine Suportting Characters like we discussed. I’m thinking Logan and Laura’s Family could have it’s own page so we’d have 3 character pages instead of four so the main would look like this
And if it’s necessary to split Rogues gallery back up it looks like thisEdited by Furygildeman on Oct 8th 2023 at 10:14:25 AM
I suppose Carnage 2023 could get started.
Can we rename Laura Kinneys Page? Just take X-23 out of it?
Sounds like an idea.
If nobody has any objections, can I launch Spider Man 1990?
The Formatter
Nope. I say your good to go.
The Formatter
Hey so there’s an issue regarding namespaces for Comic Books currently being discussed here if anyone wants to add an opinion.
The Formatter
So I'm thinking of swapping the intros for Franchise.Spider Man and ComicBook.Spider Man, moving the top half of the franchise page to the comicbook page, and vice versa. Thoughts?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
The Formatter
I've made a sandbox here for my current proposed changes to the intros. If anyone has any thoughts or changes feel free.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Okay X-23: Laura Kinney is officially redirected to Marvel Comics: Laura Kinney And I already changed the index links
The Formatter
That’s great. I was going to start doing all the moves to the Marvel Comics subheading soon but I want to finish with Spider-Man first. I just need some second opinions first. Everyone kind of disappeared.
Edited by GateStarX on Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:36:27 AM
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Come to think of it, should Carnage - Cletus Kasady and Marvel Comics: Carnage be changed to mirror Venom: Eddie Brock and Venom: The Symbiote, or vice versa?
The Formatter
I thought we were going to change everyone to the Marvel Comics subheading?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
The Formatter
I updated the intros for the Spider-Man comic book and franchise pages. I would say the Spider-Man clean up is basically finished, besides making new pages for comics.
I'm going to go through the list of characters we discussed and anything with too much page histories I'll get a page history move done.
Edit: Ok I have requested the following moves:
- Daredevil: Matt Murdock to Marvel Comics: Matt Murdock
- Deadpool: Wade Wilson to Marvel Comics: Deadpool
- The Punisher: Frank Castle to Marvel Comics: Frank Castle
- The Mighty Thor: Thor Odinson to Marvel Comics: Thor Odinson
- Wolverine: James "Logan" Howlett to Marvel Comics: Logan
- Carnage - Cletus Kasady to Marvel Comics: Cletus Kasady
- Hawkeye: Clint Barton to Marvel Comics: Clint Barton
- Hawkeye: Kate Bishop to Marvel Comics: Kate Bishop
- Spider-Man: Peter Parker to Marvel Comics: Peter Parker
- Ultimate Spider-Man: Miles Morales to Marvel Comics: Miles Morales
- Venom: The Symbiote to Marvel Comics: Venom
- Venom: Eddie Brock to Marvel Comics: Eddie Brock
- Cable: Nathan Summers to Marvel Comics: Cable
- Incredible Hulk: Bruce Banner to Marvel Comics: Bruce Banner
- Moon Knight: Marc Spector to Marvel Comics: Moon Knight
Afterward it'll just require moving the links.
Edited by GateStarX on Oct 23rd 2023 at 9:52:51 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
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While good, wouldn't it be Ultimate Marvel 2023?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!