Unclear Description: Atlantis Is Boring

Crediting ~The Mayor Of Simpleton as the original writer of this OP.

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The problem: Atlantis Is Boring is ostensibly about how ocean settings tend to ignore the less-interesting parts of the ocean. I think. The description is quite unclear, dealing with multiple different concepts in one. Per Tropes Needing TRS:

Looking at the description myself, the definition of this trope is quite unclear. It meanders into different directions, going from "the ocean is a boring setting" to "most stories from the ocean ignore the boring parts" amongst others.

This was noticed, and Adept Gaderius started a wick check that they did along with primarily ccorb, underCoverSailsman, and 𝕋𝕒𝕓𝕤. Adept Gaderius gave me permission in the Wick Check thread to use this wick check in a TRS thread (as long as they were credited).

The wick check: Link here, but here's the quick results:

• 11/55 examples, or 20%, were correctly used, with that definition being "there's not much to do under the sea."
• 14/55 examples, or 25.46%, were non-notable aversions (with some belonging on Awesome Underwater World
• 1/55 examples, or 1.82%, were about writing an underwater work being hard
• 4/55 examples, or 7.27%, were about works set underwater being considered boring
• 6/55 examples, or 10.91%, were ZCEs
• 5/55 examples, or 9.09%, were potholes, and
• 14/55 examples, or 25.46%, were unclear or fit other misuse categories.

Totaled together, that's roughly

• 11/55 examples, or 20%, correct, and
• 39/55 examples, or 70.91%, incorrect.

The wick analysis: A very large number of examples were, in some way, complaining about underwater settings. There were also quite a few aversions (mainly "this underwater world was actually great!") and usage just seemed all over the place in general.

The (possible) solution: As Tropes Needing TRS suggested, the concept of writers having a hard time writing media that takes place underwater could be split into a new trope, tentatively titled "Most Writers Are Landlubbers". The first might be tropable with the current name, although I can't think of many examples (admittedly not having watched a whole ton of media outside music). The third, as TNTRS put it, is indeed complaining, and thus probably isn't valid.

What does everyone else think? Any other ideas? (Thanks Adept Gaderius by the way for giving me permission to use the check!)

Macron's notes

What's being proposed, since only one wick (the one about writing being underwater being hard) fits the proposed Most Writers Are Landlubbers trope? I don't know what to vote on and the main suggestion isn't currently workable. Is a rename being proposed for the trope about there not being much to do underwater?

If a rename is being suggested for there not being much to do underwater, maybe Underwater And Uneventful or Underwater Means Uneventful would work.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:28:50 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

If it's basically "Awesome Underwater World Averted", maybe we can just merge with it and cut not-noteworthy examples per Averted Trope.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

Alright, I'll be honest, I mainly made this thread to get the wick check out of the way. I was at kind of a loss here myself. I apologize—I should have thought this over better.

That might work.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Aug 3rd 2022 at 7:40:14 AM

TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall

Reading the examples, most came off more as "Water themed stuff is restricting, thus unfun" instead of being associated with anything with Atlantis specifically. Current name was a bit confusing. Would a trope split be where one side is when authors make ocean settings drab, boring or lacking, and another trope that has examples where water related stuff limits or hinders you which end up being boring ("Water Boring Area")?

-Witty line-

I'm not seeing a meaningful difference between those concepts?

I don't mind a merge, and maybe we can yard the current idea since I do think there's something to it, in that it's hard for creators to envision fun things to do underwater.

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

I'm currently leaning toward Amonimus's proposal plus Yarding Most Writers Are Landlubbers (but the latter is a free action anyway), but regarding my name suggestions if we keep this as a trope about being underwater being uninteresting, maybe we could use "Uninteresting" or "Unfun" instead of "Uneventful".

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2022 at 1:23:21 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Even among the smallish number of correct entries, many examples are iffy — "because she thought it was boring" PCE, one index, a PCE subversion, a couple of audience reactions... I'm down to move the "interesting ocean setting" aversions to Awesome Underwater World and cut this.

I'm fine with moving noteworthy aversions to Awesome Underwater World and cutting Atlantis Is Boring.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall

Is it an either/or option or can both options be applied together?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

The "If Atlantis Is Boring is merged, cut it" option won't be in effect unless the two are merged, since it depends on the two being merged. If merging has consensus but cutting after merging doesn't, the name will be a redirect.

I worded it that way because I didn't want to have more than one merge option, as opposed to providing the option to cut if a merge is done (similarly to what was done when Polygon Ceiling was merged with Video Game 3D Leap).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 7th 2022 at 7:25:46 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Knocked out index wicks and those from the wick check.

The rest of the wicks save for an archive page and the Trope Report sandbox are gone.

Atlantis Is Boring is cut.