Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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So does that count as a character specific page. It's not a title and it's not a character with an object. Its two characters who form a team/duo.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Manga Brainrot 🦋
Because as mentioned before their pages were more than big enough, and to make all the edits in one go to not more than needed, Sandboxes for them have been made:
- RWBY Salem (62,142 bytes)
- RWBY Jaune Arc (53,277 bytes)
So, with mod MacronNotes saying that the Blake and Yang pages will be temporarily locked if there are still editing issues, the following Sandboxes look ready to be published:
- RWBY Ruby Rose
- RWBY Weiss Schnee
- RWBY Blake Belladonna
- RWBY Yang Xiao Long
- RWBY Jaune Arc
- RWBY Salem
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I've had a quick look at them, and they look good to me.
Once those new pages are live, the Sandbox.RWBY Team RWBY page will probably need to be cut along with the other sandboxes, if the mods are okay with that — Septmus Heap was the mod who created the Sandbox.RWBY Team RWBY page originally.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 16th 2022 at 5:40:33 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Musician/Composer
The pages are now live.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Manga Brainrot 🦋
Pages are live. Now just have to deal with RWBY: Team RWBY (possibly turn into redirect, move contents, etc.) and RWBY Team RWBY
she/her
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Any opinions on what to do with Kamen Rider Revice / Kamen Rider Revice since it doesn't seem to fit character specific parts of this index.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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Have the general tropes on Characters.RWBY Team RWBY been moved to the newly split pages?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 16th 2022 at 1:21:43 PM
Macron's notes
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
How is RWBY: Ozpin and Oscar a character specific page the title says its two people.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
My assumption is that the characters involved in the Ozpin and Oscar example are technically one character and an incarnation of said character. Hope that helps.
Unless things have changed in the couple years since I stopped watching the show, they are indeed two incarnations of the same person. While they technically function as two different characters, the two are close enough that they deserve to share a page.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah. Okay. Still feels weird to call it this though if they are technically two different characters. Even if they are reincarnations. But I am not an expert of the show and trust others judgement.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Manga Brainrot 🦋
@MacronNotes Yes, they have been moved. The RWBY: Team RWBY page can be cut or turned into a redirect
- Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Rain (29,693 bytes)
- Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Lasswell (16,384 bytes)
- Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Fina (19,428 bytes)
Edited by KhunRun on Jan 17th 2022 at 12:00:16 PM
she/her
(she/her)
Alright, I turned Characters.RWBY Team RWBY into a redirect for Characters.RWBY.
Macron's notes
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Any opinions on if Kamen Rider Revice / Kamen Rider Revice should be listed on the idex since it's a due page?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Thanks for all the effort. Do the mods need to be flagged about whether to lock the Yang page (and the Blake page if everyone deems it necessary)?
Regarding the other questions:
- The three tropes in the general folder were group tropes, so I made sure they were on the main work page yesterday. There's nothing left that needs to be rescued.
- The reason stated about Ozpin and Oscar is correct; the layout protects the scale of the spoiler that is Oscar's full identity, while also dealing with the fact that their Fusion Dance and Loss of Identity storyline is still unfolding. Their personalities are independent for now, and we don't yet know which personality will end up being the dominant one.
I also removed the Foil additions from the old character page because it was an out-dated page that had already been cleaned up in the old sandbox that's just been split (the wall of text clean-up was the last thing being done), those entries are still on the pages, but under more specific Foil sub-tropes.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 17th 2022 at 2:52:45 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
So DCEU: Billy Batson was just made and while it is big enough. The DCEU: Shazam without his is only 24,229 bytes. Not to bad but I still thought I would bring it here for opinions.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Friends forevermore
Merge it back in.
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So The Fly 1986: Seth Brundle was just made and he's big enough at 51,105 bytes. His OG The Fly (1986) is big enough as well, if barely at 40,026 bytes. However, there is like only two other folders for that page. I think we good to keep. I just thought I would ask.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 19th 2022 at 12:36:04 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
So I've been looking at the character subpages for Cobra Kai and I noticed that Robby's page had 46,351 bytes, Tory's had 42,325 and Daniel's had 44,704. Would it be possible for them to each get their own subpages, please? Thanks.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
How big would the OG pages be without them?
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Lies and Violence!
The OG pages are big enough, go ahead.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Oh okay. Yeah go ahead and make the pages.
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Showtime!
Not sure if this is the right page but on Character Specific Pages i think the hololive pages should be moved to "Character focussed pages (With Others). Does that make sense?
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Ikki and Vice are "human and their inner demon", with "Kamen Rider Revice" being the "tag-team name" of Kamen Rider Revi (Ikki) and Kamen Rider Vice (Vice). "Kamen Rider [Word]" is more of a general hero naming theme for the franchise as a whole.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!