Since let's plays are usually video-based, the target namespace is usually WebVideo/. However, some are text-based, and the consensus was to handle the namspacing of those on a case-by-case basis, with Blog/, Fanfic/, and Literature/ brought up as potential targets.
Before any given article is transplanted, we should confirm that it meets the standards for being a TV Tropes work article. Note that these often serve as hybrid articles for their creators in much the same way as the Music namespace. If there is insufficient content, the articles end up becoming about the creators, violating our "no troping real people" policy.
The crucial question is whether the article has any tropable, creative content. This means that it's more than just "Alisha plays games and makes faces." What counts as tropable, creative content? Here are some examples.
- Creating a fictional/roleplaying narrative that is distinct from the game being played or the real person doing the LP.
- Using the game as a medium to craft original content: songs, videos, machinima, and so on.
- "MST'ing" or creatively riffing on the game's content, as long as it's sufficiently transformative.
What are not criteria for a tropable Let's Play by themselves?
- Adopting a quirky personality, cracking jokes, making funny faces, or overreacting to jump scares.
- Cosplaying, playing with toys, unboxing merchandise, etc.
- Having a "gimmick" that makes them stand out, such as a repeated Catchphrase, eating loudly on microphone, or calling their viewers "Doggo fam".
- Playing games in a particular way (speedrunning, evil runs, no-kill runs, etc.) that fall within what it is possible to do in the game itself, with or without mods.
- Modding the game.
- Being very popular.
- Having lots of memes arise in their fandom.
Note that the same general principles apply to any Web Video creator, especially those whose main work is in news, reviews, vlogging, and/or reaction videos.
There are a few outliers that will need to be handled on a case-by-case basis.
- After-Action Report: I would move it to literature, although it could be considered fanfic.
- Liveblogs, which are probably not tropable.
Web Video cleanup sandbox
This project has several purposes related to all things Web Video:
- Cleaning up the WebVideo index
- Cleaning up the WebVideo/ namespace to move pages that belong elsewhere
- Cleaning up individual Web Video pages that have massive issues
Overview
The easy-seeming part when I started on Web Video (the index) was just removing things not even located in the namespace— found in Creator, Film, Web Animation, etc. Then I started noticing there were many things put in Web Video (the namespace) that were basically Creator pages, lots of Let's Play, other video game streaming that doesn't currently have an index, other misuses in index and/or namespace placement...
- original live action, meaning not animated or reusing existing footage;
- narrative/creative, a bit unclear, but it's not someone simply reviewing another work/reacting to other works/playing through another work;
- a work, which is... a work, not a creator.
Reaction channels tend to straddle a line here, but are not generally tropable unless they create some sort of distinct creative endeavor rather than stare at a video and laugh a bit. Also it helps if they are reacting to fiction, not to real life. The latter may be entertaining but falls into the same general category as gossip. We can trope these only for their use of production and artistic tropes, not for their topics.
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No Analysis Channel index— corrected! - No index for non-Let's Play video game streaming unless they're on Twitch. If they don't fall into the Let's Play format and aren't on Twitch, where do they go?
- No
Gag Dub orGag Sub index - Where should we put channels based on prank calls, scam-baiting, other audio-based things where the video is incidental?
Pages identified for cleanup:
- A Dose of Buckley — see this ATT for more info
- The Mysterious Mr. Enter and subpages — issues include troping the creator and not the works
- The Nostalgia Critic and subpages — see this project thread
- Smosh and subpages — Smosh is a channel, and the pages have multiple works (may need a hard split)
- Thomas Sanders — Creator, lots of biographical details, previously hard split for Sanders Sides but may need another
See also:
- Cleanup: Review/Let's Play YMMV Tropes
- TLP: Actual Play genre/index
Just the index cleanup itself is a considerable project, figuring out what stays and what needs a different index, but there are also many pages with significant issues to clean. This is a very big project, but I've seen other people notice these issues, too. I hope we can at least get the index under control.
( For clarity and re: review stuff. Continue to edit as things occur that are useful to keep at the top of the thread.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2023 at 9:02:00 AM
Alrighty.
they/she; editor of Minecraft SMPsMy query about Official Jaguar Gator is still pending.
I could just send it to the cutlist right now because it seems like an open-and-shut case, but I'm worried my past negative opinions of the guy could be biasing me.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.I'm not seeing anything tropable there.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.If no one's objected by the morning, I'll cutlist it.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.if you're concerned about your negative bias, I've found it helpful to take the points raised in the pinned post, write them down as questions and then try and answer them that way (eg "Does this content have a distinct narrative or persona separate from the creator? If yes, how?" "Is the work sufficiently transformative? How so?"). I did something similar with a few Let's Players I no longer watch and a couple I still do watch. The ones I do still watch have plenty of listings that could be cut because they're real life troping or are about content which lacks a distinct narrative. Id rather that a page about content I like get cut because it doesn't fit the website criteria than the page standing solely because I'm a fan/they're popular and/or be filled with poor quality examples (which on a related note, should web video pages solely stand because they get a lot of inbounds/outbounds?)
on a more general note, while I accept that lets plays in general do not have a distinct narrative, would Pokemon ones where they've named the Pokemon and given them distinct personalities based on their movepools etc be an example of a distinct narrative? (There's at least two L Pers I'm aware of who are well known for their Pokemon L Ps among others)
That would give it some "more like a show than a playthrough" points, but it'd need some more.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup(ignore)
Edited by Wilben on Apr 20th 2024 at 9:29:02 AM
Just leave that last page alone. It's an archive, and archives don't get edited ever. They exist solely for the purpose of preservation.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.