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    Regarding the deprecation of the Let's Play namespace 
Wiki Talk has made a decision that all articles in the Let's Play namespace (list of pages in that namespace) should be moved to other namespaces.

Since let's plays are usually video-based, the target namespace is usually WebVideo/. However, some are text-based, and the consensus was to handle the namspacing of those on a case-by-case basis, with Blog/, Fanfic/, and Literature/ brought up as potential targets.

Before any given article is transplanted, we should confirm that it meets the standards for being a TV Tropes work article. Note that these often serve as hybrid articles for their creators in much the same way as the Music namespace. If there is insufficient content, the articles end up becoming about the creators, violating our "no troping real people" policy.

The crucial question is whether the article has any tropable, creative content. This means that it's more than just "Alisha plays games and makes faces." What counts as tropable, creative content? Here are some examples.

  • Creating a fictional/roleplaying narrative that is distinct from the game being played or the real person doing the LP.
  • Using the game as a medium to craft original content: songs, videos, machinima, and so on.
  • "MST'ing" or creatively riffing on the game's content, as long as it's sufficiently transformative.

What are not criteria for a tropable Let's Play by themselves?

  • Adopting a quirky personality, cracking jokes, making funny faces, or overreacting to jump scares.
  • Cosplaying, playing with toys, unboxing merchandise, etc.
  • Having a "gimmick" that makes them stand out, such as a repeated Catchphrase, eating loudly on microphone, or calling their viewers "Doggo fam".
  • Playing games in a particular way (speedrunning, evil runs, no-kill runs, etc.) that fall within what it is possible to do in the game itself, with or without mods.
  • Modding the game.
  • Being very popular.
  • Having lots of memes arise in their fandom.

Note that the same general principles apply to any Web Video creator, especially those whose main work is in news, reviews, vlogging, and/or reaction videos.

There are a few outliers that will need to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

  • After-Action Report: I would move it to literature, although it could be considered fanfic.
  • Liveblogs, which are probably not tropable.

Web Video cleanup sandbox

This project has several purposes related to all things Web Video:

  • Cleaning up the WebVideo index
  • Cleaning up the WebVideo/ namespace to move pages that belong elsewhere
  • Cleaning up individual Web Video pages that have massive issues

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Overview

    Why this project? 
I started the sandbox several months ago, naively believing it would be a simple project to clear out some index misuses here and there— ha! I was so wrong.

The easy-seeming part when I started on Web Video (the index) was just removing things not even located in the namespace— found in Creator, Film, Web Animation, etc. Then I started noticing there were many things put in Web Video (the namespace) that were basically Creator pages, lots of Let's Play, other video game streaming that doesn't currently have an index, other misuses in index and/or namespace placement...

    The Web Video index 
As described, the index is for pages about works meeting all these criteria:
  1. original live action, meaning not animated or reusing existing footage;
  2. narrative/creative, a bit unclear, but it's not someone simply reviewing another work/reacting to other works/playing through another work;
  3. a work, which is... a work, not a creator.
So the index itself is a narrow type of web video, not everything ever put on YouTube or every kind of online video. That... isn't what has happened.

    The Web Video/ namespace 
The namespace (see here) is much more broad: "Live-action videos and video-based Lets Plays originally or only released online. Covers both YouTube videos and web-exclusive series, but does not include those that belong in the WebAnimation/ namespace. For big-budget series exclusive to streaming services such as Netflix, use Series/ or the appropriate animation namespace instead." — Not limited to original or live action footage, narrative works, etc. However, people have mistakenly created Web Animation pages in this namespace, made what are essentially creator pages, typed it as "Webvideo", etc.

    What about reviews? 
Re: War Jay 77's question "Would 'commentary channels' count as reviewers? The sort of people who poke fun at, say, Jake Paul, rather than movies.", Fighteer said here:
No, because the subjects of those channels are Real Life topics. If your subject is a work of fiction, you are creating a derivative work, review, Let's Play, etc. If your subject is a real person, place, thing, or topic, then you are creating documentary, news, or an opinion piece.

Reaction channels tend to straddle a line here, but are not generally tropable unless they create some sort of distinct creative endeavor rather than stare at a video and laugh a bit. Also it helps if they are reacting to fiction, not to real life. The latter may be entertaining but falls into the same general category as gossip. We can trope these only for their use of production and artistic tropes, not for their topics.

    What are we missing? 
  • No Analysis Channel index — corrected!
  • No index for non-Let's Play video game streaming unless they're on Twitch. If they don't fall into the Let's Play format and aren't on Twitch, where do they go?
  • No Gag Dub or Gag Sub index
  • Where should we put channels based on prank calls, scam-baiting, other audio-based things where the video is incidental?


Pages identified for cleanup:

See also:


Just the index cleanup itself is a considerable project, figuring out what stays and what needs a different index, but there are also many pages with significant issues to clean. This is a very big project, but I've seen other people notice these issues, too. I hope we can at least get the index under control.

([nja] For clarity and re: review stuff. Continue to edit as things occur that are useful to keep at the top of the thread.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2023 at 9:02:00 AM

CompletelyNormalGuy Am I a weirdo? from that rainy city where they throw fish (Oldest One in the Book)
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#926: Apr 16th 2024 at 12:36:34 AM

[up]Just leave that last page alone. It's an archive, and archives don't get edited ever. They exist solely for the purpose of preservation.

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#927: Apr 16th 2024 at 3:31:21 AM

[up] Alrighty.

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#928: Apr 17th 2024 at 1:25:49 PM

My query about Official Jaguar Gator is still pending.

I could just send it to the cutlist right now because it seems like an open-and-shut case, but I'm worried my past negative opinions of the guy could be biasing me.

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CompletelyNormalGuy Am I a weirdo? from that rainy city where they throw fish (Oldest One in the Book)
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#929: Apr 17th 2024 at 9:03:46 PM

[up]I'm not seeing anything tropable there.

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#930: Apr 17th 2024 at 9:53:55 PM

If no one's objected by the morning, I'll cutlist it.

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fireheart Since: Oct, 2013
#931: Apr 17th 2024 at 10:02:03 PM

[up][up]if you're concerned about your negative bias, I've found it helpful to take the points raised in the pinned post, write them down as questions and then try and answer them that way (eg "Does this content have a distinct narrative or persona separate from the creator? If yes, how?" "Is the work sufficiently transformative? How so?"). I did something similar with a few Let's Players I no longer watch and a couple I still do watch. The ones I do still watch have plenty of listings that could be cut because they're real life troping or are about content which lacks a distinct narrative. Id rather that a page about content I like get cut because it doesn't fit the website criteria than the page standing solely because I'm a fan/they're popular and/or be filled with poor quality examples (which on a related note, should web video pages solely stand because they get a lot of inbounds/outbounds?)

on a more general note, while I accept that lets plays in general do not have a distinct narrative, would Pokemon ones where they've named the Pokemon and given them distinct personalities based on their movepools etc be an example of a distinct narrative? (There's at least two L Pers I'm aware of who are well known for their Pokemon L Ps among others)

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#932: Apr 18th 2024 at 1:00:32 AM

That would give it some "more like a show than a playthrough" points, but it'd need some more.

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Wilben Since: Nov, 2023
#933: Apr 20th 2024 at 2:18:21 PM

(ignore)

Edited by Wilben on Apr 20th 2024 at 9:29:02 AM

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