Yeah, I can see how they can be overly similar.
I vote that we merge into Silver Fox. That title's more concise.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportI agree.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2019 at 1:35:01 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Merge
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessLet's do it.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Agreeing with the merge.
There seems to be an agreement on this. Silver Fox has fewer wicks (433, opposed to 586), but I agree it's a better name because it's more concise. Make Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! a redirect?
I think it should be a turned into a redirect to Silver Fox, as should its own redirects.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Where does the name Silver Fox come from, though? I support a merge, but I'm curious about the name.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!As far as I know, "silver fox" is an already-existing term for an attractive old person (typically a man). "Silver" refers to their gray hair, whereas "fox" refers to "foxy", i.e. "sexy". Plus, there's an actual breed of foxes called "silver fox".
I see. In that case, merge into Silver Fox.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!Since older ladies dye rather than letting their hair grey out, the name Silver Fox doesn't really fit there.
That depends on the culture and the specific character. Helen Mirren, who is pretty much treated as the Trope Codifier for Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have!, usually makes appearances with grey hair.
Edited by Snicka on Aug 27th 2019 at 2:19:57 PM
Silver Fox has strong male connotations, but merging them would allow for any gender...
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"However, females are already mentioned in the description of Silver Fox.
There seems to be a consensus. How do we proceed? Do we have to make it formal somehow?
Then I suggest we rephrase Laconic.Silver Fox to "An attractive older person, often with greying hair."
Done that.
Do we need to create a Single Proposition Crowner (basically, Yes vs No for merging Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! into Silver Fox)? Or can we start the merging based on the consensus in the comments?
It might be worth going with Page Action instead, to provide a choice of which name to use for the merged trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 29th 2019 at 6:25:22 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I'll start one up.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportAwesome, thanks.
Guys, Silver Fox is explicitly a male gendered slang. That definition is the top Google result that comes in the box defining the term.
So this proposed move is in all kinds of violation of the rule we abide by real world definitions of pre-existing terms.
Edited by CryptidProductions on Aug 31st 2019 at 6:04:36 AM
Your link is titled "silver fox or Silverfox or silver vixen". The term "vixen" means "female fox", so that 'top result' is implicitly allowing for distaff gender usage.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Is that even a rule?
Edited by bitemytail on Aug 31st 2019 at 8:54:06 AM
Crown Description:
Both Grandma What Massive Hotness You Have and Silver Fox cover nearly identical territories to the point of being duplicate tropes. It was agreed to merge them, but this will determine which one will merge into the other.
Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! is exactly the same as Silver Fox: an attractive elderly person. Both tropes mention that they are applicable to both genders (although the former puts emphasis on women and the latter on men), and both mention that the characters can look attractive despite or because of their age. Although Silver Fox draws the age line for "old" at 40 whereas Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! draws it at 50, and Silver Fox puts more emphasis on the hair color, there's not enough distinction between the two.
There are a few overlapping examples, including:
I propose a merge between the two tropes.