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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:29:33 PM

Character pages are a big chunk of the wiki, with the biggest works having dozens of pages for their characters. Unfortunately, they are also poorly written, more often than not, with recurring issues such as:

  • ZCE problems
  • Improper indentation and natter, including subbulleted and slashed tropes
  • Misused tropes and subjective tropes on the main page
  • Spoiler markup abuse
  • Even problems that should be non-existent, like the use of {{Curly Brackets}} for wicks, completely empty folders, and the lack of alphabetization

With these pages usually also being large, and with many works having multiple pages, these problems have flown under the radar, save for some general cleanup effort by those who happen to find them and have the time to clean them. Instead of that, it was agreed this could be a community clean-up project instead.

So, here we will discuss, clean, and manage character pages across the wiki, regardless of medium and of work. If you find some bad character pages that need fixing, bring them here, and we'll fix them together.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:44:24 PM

I found one for a fanfic titled The Tick vs... MY HERO ACADEMIA!. By that I mean the person who made the character page did nothing except leave a message that said "have fun guys!". That was all the way back in January of this year and nothing has been added. If no one's going to add any tropes, should the page just be cut entirely?

Edited by ssjSega on Aug 10th 2019 at 5:44:59 AM

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:45:01 PM

[up] ...Yeah, just slash that one entirely.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:17:39 PM

Now, there is one bunch of character pages I've been procrastinating on just because of how...ugh...they are.

Characters.Brutal Series. Every page is a disaster, and we need to fix it. I can't do it without help, so I've not started yet.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
TalesofUnder Art by Taco Badger from The Tropers’s Apartment Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Art by Taco Badger
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:34:39 PM

I’ve noticed a common trend: these terrible pages are for fanfiction or roleplay pages most of the time.

My father always told me: “Always have a bazooka, son.” I was more commited to that in season 1.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:45:57 PM

[up] Most of the time, but I think all major character pages have flaws that people just haven't gotten around to fixing, yet.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Tomodachi I'm stronger than I think I am from Venezuela Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm stronger than I think I am
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:53:11 PM

They aren't fanfic examples only. For example, Kingdom Under Fire The Crusaders was created years ago and don't have many examples to speak of on the folders. I've been trying to add examples while at it, but you will have to forgive me for not knowing how to tropefy the blank examples, with the game being hard to find check.

This also includes under the radar comics and anime.

Edited by Tomodachi on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:56:17 AM

I will survive. I'm the writer of Insecto Nocturno. Check it out!
Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Take my revolution!
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:13:49 PM

The character pages for BoJack Horseman are really bad. There was a cleanup thread for them, but it seems to have fizzled out

Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:19:23 PM

I'll join you all.

Not to impede on you all, but I see this quite a bit on Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure pages:

Zero-Context Example aside, it's a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler; in addition, Anyone Can Die, as I understand, applies to works, not individual characters.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:20:25 PM

Alright, we already have some work cut out for ourselves...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:26:02 PM

Quest 64 could use a going-through. Well, assuming species aren't an issue in itself, but most of it is ZCE's.

I know it enough to decently flesh some stuff out, I guess? But a lot aren't workable.

Omega Psycho Rangers Quest 64 Discord(very much safe for work)
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:26:27 PM

Characters.Rebuild Of Evangelion and Characters.Sakura Wars might need to be looked at.

Also, I think story tropes (such as Oh, Crap!, Karmic Death, etc.) that are on all the character pages should go on the main or recap pages where necessary.

Edited by gjjones on Aug 10th 2019 at 10:28:40 AM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:28:54 PM

There was a whole debate a while back about what tropes do and do not belong on character pages. Suffice to say there's no consensus yet.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:42:58 PM

Until we have consensus, if it can be put on a character page, it should be fine. Generally, some stuff fits better on the main page if it refers to tons of species only. If they can't really be given a proper entry in the character page, it fits best there.

I did update the Quest 64 page with some context, and removed some ZCE's. I did not remove any spoiler-marking just yet. I'm thinking to give a warning of "large spoilers ahead", but keep the folders so nobody automatically sees the spoilers when loading the page, but actually can see the fact they exist and turn back if they want to. I'd have to fully go over the exact set of spoilers if they were kept, but I feel it being spoilers off is better?

Edited by Irene on Aug 10th 2019 at 9:45:09 AM

Omega Psycho Rangers Quest 64 Discord(very much safe for work)
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:47:57 PM

For even more pages to fix, the Needs Wiki Magic Love page already has a backlog of Character pages that are in desperate need of help, with some other Characters pages spilling out to the slightly-less-in-trouble Pages Needing Example Context.

Shout out to the Characters.Code Geass pages I added to the latter a while ago, I was pretty baffled to see a fairly popular series have so many ZCEs. Since the time I've added it, people have swung by and added context to Characters.Code Geass Black Knights, for example, and it's looking healthier now.

Aug 10th 2019 at 8:08:28 PM

Are we using commented-out headers, so we know which ones have been checked?

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Aug 10th 2019 at 8:31:29 PM

Characters.Brawlhalla is even worse than the main page was before I scrubbed it. The character descriptions are really long and also maybe plagiarism (they're taken directly from the website and in-game lore blurbs), tons of ZCEs, and most of the characters don't even have images despite having image captions!

Side note, YMMV.Brawlhalla is also bad, but not to the extent of the main and character pages (probably because it's a lot smaller).

I don't know what this thing is, and that terrifies me!
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 10th 2019 at 8:41:59 PM

Oh jeez, maybe we should make a list of pages to go through or something...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Aug 10th 2019 at 9:38:19 PM

I also remember that there was an ATT discussion regarding the potential removal of spoiler tags in character pages.

Edited by gjjones on Aug 10th 2019 at 12:38:51 PM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
MiinU from in my mind Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Aug 10th 2019 at 9:41:28 PM

I've worked on existing character pages before and created other character pages from scratch, so I guess you can sign me up to.

I'll take a look at the Needs Wiki Magic/Needs Examples section and see if there's any I'm already familiar with.

Edited by MiinU on Aug 10th 2019 at 9:42:54 AM

I wouldn't mind failure so much, if I didn't fail so much.
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Aug 10th 2019 at 11:04:48 PM

Maybe the Characters.Black Clover and Characters.One Piece subpages may need to be looked at?

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Aug 11th 2019 at 5:10:28 AM

The JoJo subpages are really more what I was thinking.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 11th 2019 at 10:54:10 AM

[up] Huh?

Anyway, I want to get started on Brutal Series...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Aug 11th 2019 at 11:58:55 AM

Man, it really is brutal. Less than halfway through Characters.Brutal Series Brutal and I already need to take a break.

Edit: Characters.Brutal Series Brutal is done.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 11th 2019 at 4:00:22 AM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread

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