Outdated Administrivia Pages

Most wicks have been moved.

EDIT: Done on my end.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Oct 30th 2019 at 8:41:09 AM

First paragraph of Wiki Word seems too big.

Add paragraph breaks right before "In the "classic" formatting" and "You can get the same effect"?

Looking at that page, I could maybe see putting a paragraph break after the first sentence, but I wouldn't break it where you're suggesting.

Can somebody please help me with the Wick Namespace Migration of Tropes Are Tools, as well as it's Administrivia redirects?

I don't think that's something that needs to done urgently; just change links as you see them. The redirect exists for a reason.

Edited by rjd1922 on Nov 2nd 2019 at 12:14:41 PM

Found some more things we can fix on TLP Guidelines.

For one, it mentions that an article should be launched in full, rather than bit-by-bit. This rule is no longer necessary, as now all launched articles launch in-full, and so it takes any action out of the equation.

That rule could be replaced with a new paragraph that mentions how a draft shouldn't be launched until discussion is resolved and concerns are responded to or fixed to the best of the sponsor's ability. We're at the point where hats are no longer a reliable way to determine launchworthiness, and too many sponsors think that just because they have enough hats, that they can launch, even if the discussion isn't over. The page should make it clear that discussion shouldn't be interrupted just because someone has 5 hats.

Edit: A Guide to Easy Launching of Your TLP is also very out of date for the same reason, talking about things like "saving the source elsewhere" and such, which isn't useful to know anymore. It does at least mention that all concerns should be resolved first...

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 3rd 2019 at 6:01:19 AM

Move Pages Needing Wicks, Tropes Needing Examples (why is the link orange?), Pages Needing Example Sorting, and Works Needing Tropes to Administrivia, Scales to Useful Notes, and Trope Example Laws and perhaps Misty May to Just for Fun.

+1 to all of those moves.

Was reminded about the Threshold of Trope Health Ratings Crowner when about to remove WrittenForMyKids from Pages Needing Wicks.

We have 6:0 for Option B and no votes for Option A.

Are we good to update the ratings as indicated?

Well, the crowner's been up for almost a month and it's 7:0 in favor of this new scale. I think this indicates consensus and will probably replace the scales this weekend unless anybody objects.

Hey, I wan told to come here by this Ask The Tropers thread. Basically, I want to get the word Check put on the Word Cruft list. Specifically, I often see examples that act as though they are checking items off a list (X requirement? Check. Y requirement? Check. Z requirement? Check plus.), which ruins the readability of the example.

So, am I supposed to write up the thing myself? Because I am unsure what to write.

Edited by MasterN on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:47:51 AM

I think writing the example shouldn't be too hard. Here's my idea, slightly witty like the rest of the Word Cruft page, feedback welcome:

• "Check" lists: "X? Check. Y? Check. Z? Check^2." TV Tropes examples are already lists, we don't need useless sub-lists like these when there could be proper context instead, plus these gags get grating starting from about the 5th time you see them due to their repetitive formula.

Edited by Piterpicher on Nov 22nd 2019 at 9:43:10 PM

I say yes to both. Though I would replace Check^2 with Check in all caps bold inflation (like this: CHECK!!!) since that is by far the most common- and annoying- thing that I see in those lists. Also, instead of TV Tropes examples, start with just Examples- presumably, readers and Tropers already know which website they are on.

Edited by MasterN on Nov 23rd 2019 at 3:03:07 AM

Absolutely, it the page should be updated. Since there's agreement, we can just holler a mod and see if they can add the new paragraph.

Reminds me though, anyone want to weigh in on the pages I mentioned here?

I do agree, but someone has to be willing to do the rewrite that would replace the outdated stuff.

I'm willing to take a crack at it if nobody else is.

But I do want to pitch something. Can Example Indentation in Trope Lists get a "no two tropes on the same bullet" paragraph? See, recently in the Locked Pages thread I pitched a notifier for this issue, but we're at the notifier limit. Since this is a big issue, we need some formal way to notify people about it. I know a lot of people send Indentation notifiers when this happens, assuming the information is on that page... but it isn't. So, I think it should be mentioned.

That's under the trope slashing rule on How to Write an Example. It's less of an indentation problem than a misunderstanding of writing proper examples, I think? (If there's a way to poll for least used notifiers and kick it so trope slashing can replace it, maybe we could have that.)

Speaking of How to Write an Example, PlasmaPower noted on the It Makes Sense in Context thread in Trope Talk:

Users in that thread were leaning towards "there's a genuine dialogue trope in It Makes Sense in Context, but it's bogged down by all the out-of-universe links". The problem with sorting this out between trope and non-trope is that one needs a knowledge of the work to recognize whether the It Makes Sense in Context receives in-universe use (though it's probably out-of-universe).

Edited by Tabs on Nov 30th 2019 at 1:31:50 AM

Right, my issue is that there's no proper notifier to use. People currently have to write their own, but don't always realize that this is a thing they need to do. The indentation page is the one that I think gets used the most, as it's similar to having a subtrope bulleted under the supertrope. At the very least a note could be added explaining that, for the same reasons that

• Jerkass:
  • Jerk with a Heart of Gold:

is wrong,

• The Hero / The Leader:

is also wrong.

As for the paragraph you're asking about... I don't know. While I'm personally okay with turning It Makes Sense in Context into a proper trope, as of now, it's apparent that using it as a pothole trope is acceptable, even if not very ideal. If we want to change it, we can't just start hacking away at out-of-universe examples. We'd need TRS. So, I'm abstaining on the subject until we go through the proper channels.

Well, anyway...time to take a crack at fixing TLP Guidelines and A Guide to Easy Launching of Your TLP, both via sandboxes: Sandbox.TLP Guidelines and Sandbox.Easy Launching

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 3rd 2019 at 9:09:23 AM

I've been thinking of Sandboxing all the current notifier content. We're currently butting up to an apparent 30-count limit, and I gotta think there's a way to make these more efficient and hopefully effective.

Okay, I think Sandbox.TLP Guidelines is good to go, as the changes were pretty easy. All I really did was remove the information that was no longer true, and added a section about launching before discussion is over.

I'm at a loss for what to do at Sandbox.Easy Launching, though. A majority of the page is about outdated information, and it's not a very long page, either.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 3rd 2019 at 9:26:12 AM