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Following on from the first set of Translation Policy crowner questions, a sandbox has been created: Administrivia Translation Policy.

Any feedback or proposed changes?

Personally, I'm in favour of getting this guidance into Administrivia relatively soon now that these points have consensus, rather than waiting for the questions about fan translations, public domain works and edge cases to be settled. I think it still adds some value for tropers even without those elements.

But keen to hear what others think on that.

I think the title suggests it's a policy about translating pages on TV Tropes rather than about works in multiple languages.

Perhaps something is worth saying about translations changing the meaning of a word and thus the applicability of a trope. I am thinking of A Song of Ice and Fire, where someone "beds with boys" in the English version but with little boys in the Italian one, changing the implication - in English it merely makes the character LGBT since "boys" is used frequently for young adults, in Italian meanwhile it strongly implies paedophilia.

Fair point. The title's taken from the cleanup thread and previous troper-created sandbox, but does read oddly out of context.

Maybe: "Guidelines for troping works created in other languages"?

Maybe it could be something like "Foreign Language Media" or "Non-English Media"? It covers the same idea in a few less words

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Feb 19th 2024 at 10:48:48 AM

I think the catch is that it has to cover:

• Foreign language works troped based on official translations
• Foreign language works troped based on fan translations
• Foreign language works troped by bilingual tropers based on an untranslated work

(Even if some of that will only be added to the page later)

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 19th 2024 at 3:55:09 PM

True, Administrivia Translation Policy would imply it's related to TV Tropes Translation Project. Maybe it's preferred Guidelines For Works In Other Languages, or Handling Foreign Works for short.

Once we get a consensus on a good name here, I'll go back and rename the Translation Policy wiki talk thread to match.

Or English language works being troped via a non-English translation.

Do we examples of that?

It's certainly possible.

(There are Keep Circulating the Tapes works created in English but now only available in dubbed form or as translated books, for example)

Although if you're troping, say, a Japanese translation of Hamlet for the English language wiki, there are going to be extra considerations, as not only are you distinguishing between the original and anything added in translation, you're translating some elements back to trope them.

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 20th 2024 at 3:21:20 PM

While I don't see us troping a Japanese translation of an English work if the latter is available, other than noting adaptational differences, if the original is Lost Media, a work page for the discovered translation should indicate so.

I think further thoughts are best for the Localization thread.

As an anglophone, I wouldn't personally do that. But if you have a multilingual troper who's watching dubbed TV or reading a translated book in their own country, it might happen.

Ah, I get it now.

Yeah, this should really go in the Localization thread, not this one.

Well, we've used the translation policy thread for the crowner. Future decisions will also he handled there.

The discussion here is about whether we're ready to publish the initial draft to Administrivia, which is probably closer to this thread's scope.

Since Main.Character Specific Pages lists policies for character-specific pages, there was internal discussion regarding whether to move it to Administrivia.Character Specific Pages. (The page was brought up after the cleanup thread tried to unilaterally change the policy instead of taking it to Wiki Talk, which is why it's now locked.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:40:54 PM

I'm good with moving the page to Administrivia/

to moving the Main.Character Specific Pages to Administrivia.Character Specific Pages

It's neither a trope nor an index (despite listing pages, indexing was forbidden), so it kinda has no place in Main/

Another vote to move

I'm good with moving it too

For the translation page, the proposed title is now Troping Works Created In Other Languages - is that better?

Any concerns about phrasing or title before we add this to Administrivia?

I think that name works.