Bump due to silent unlock.
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I could go with either a rename or a split.
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Wouldn't the examples that blame the player fall under What the Hell, Player?
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What the Hell, Player? does not specify that the blame is unavoidable or hard to avoid for a first-time player, and most of the examples there qualify as the player actually doing something irregular (versus following typical behavior) and being called out for it.
Edited by iwantedtoaddsomething on Mar 27th 2019 at 7:07:54 AM
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You Bastard! covers the audience being called out for doing something bad (or at least considered bad). That trope isn't medium-specific, but it can cover video games.
In addition, What the Hell, Player?'s description describes that trope as being an Easter Egg variant of You Bastard! (as in, a variant that's completely optional, hence the above post).
As for the name of Blaming The Railroaded Player Character, what about changing it to something that uses "protagonist" instead of "player character"? I can't think of anything more specific at the moment.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 28th 2019 at 3:17:37 AM
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I think this is more of an Ambiguous name. I don't think that it's good etiquette to say that an example is a Misuse based entirely on the name of the trope. The description is far more relevant. And a lot of these examples are very ambiguous about whether the player or the character is being blamed.
The intention is definitely to cover both, so a better title might be in order. Perhaps "Blamed For Being Railroaded"?
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If it's intended to cover both, then that would be an improvement.
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This probably would have been simpler if I had put the trope under "ambiguous name" and not "misused".
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Motion to rename the trope "Railroaded and Blamed"?
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If it's supposed to be for both players and characters then I'd support .
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That suggestion is at least less clunky than the current name. Brevity Is Wit, after all.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 30th 2019 at 6:13:22 AM
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I do think that "Blamed For Being Railroaded" might be the better option, since "Railroaded And Blamed" seems like the kind of title where you'd have no clue what the trope is supposed to be about unless you open it and read on it.
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Maybe there should be a crowner for a rename, though we might need to have a Single Proposition crowner made first if the posts themselves aren't enough to gauge consensus.
Edit: Went ahead and made a Single Proposition crowner
since the thread is clocked.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 31st 2019 at 5:12:56 AM
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Hooked, shutting off the clock.
So any conclusions on the name? Everyone seems to be in favor of changing it.
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The crowner's been up for almost a month, and it's mostly in favor of renaming. Is it safe to call?
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Yep, time to call this one.
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Made a crowner. It currently has the suggestions that have been posted.
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Swapped in the new crowner.
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I added an option because I didn't like the syntax on any of the others.
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Blamed for Being Railroaded has the nine votes, with 8 yeas and 1 nay. Is it safe to call, or does it need more votes?
Edit: The vote count went up by one.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 23rd 2019 at 8:38:35 AM
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Yep, safe to call. I'll move the contents.
Luckily we don't have too much to change.
Edited by Berrenta on Aug 24th 2019 at 9:27:48 AM
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Crown Description:
Should Blaming The Railroaded Player Character be renamed?
There is a small subset of examples which break the fourth wall (if there is one) to blame the player rather than the player character (if one exists). While I think this is valid and Tropes Are Flexible, it directly goes against the title: "Blaming the Railroaded Player Character".
Personally, I would support renaming this trope to something more ambiguous that allows for both blaming the player and the character they control, like "Railroaded and Blamed" or something wittier.
- The Stanley Parable:
- "Video Games" ending: player is blamed for refusing to push a button (then two buttons) continuously for four hours.
- "Real Person" ending: player is blamed for not using a feature that is unavailable to them in the first place.
- "Pawn" ending: player is blamed for supposedly being a Lawful Stupid gamer who does nothing but follow directions, except they are locked into a part of the branch where they cannot do anything to progress the game except what the narrator says.
- Spec Ops: The Line: The big one. Player is blamed through loading screens for living a destructive trigger-happy murder fantasy, when there is no way to get through the game without using excessive force (or having things go wrong for you).
- You Were Hallucinating the Whole Time
: Player is blamed for innocently partaking in minigames with no violent undertones, after the narrator suddenly assigns symbolism to the minigames in question that makes them gruesome and sadistic.
- Plumbers Don't Wear Ties: Player is scolded for choosing to have a girl (nearly?) raped at her job interview, even though that's the only option that doesn't immediately warrant a bad ending.
- Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: A character plays a simulator (essentially a video game). In one scenario of it, he is required to execute POWs to advance. Someone later blames him for doing this, but another character points out that the game didn't give him any other options, effectively lampshading this trope.
Brief wick check:Edited by iwantedtoaddsomething on Mar 26th 2019 at 9:32:46 AM
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