Unreleased Work Page Cleanup (Speculation, Spoilers, ZCE etc.)

Ok, so regarding The Mandalorian, would this be a better phrasing pointing to the sources of the information?

• Action Girl: At Star Wars Celebration Chicago, Favreau revealed that Gina Carano's character Kara Dune is an ex-Rebel shocktrooper; and footage shown in the same panel shows that she is skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with a fully armored Mandalorian warrior.
• Bounty Hunter: The preview footage shown at Star Wars Celebration Chicago shows that the protagonist is considered one of the best and most expensive bounty hunters around, to the point that [[spoilers:a former Imperial officer hires him to track down a target with nothing more than a 50 year old lead.]]
• Cool Starship: At Star Wars Celebration Chicago, Favreau revealed that the Razor Crest, the ship the protagonist uses for transportation, is a military surplus gunship with considerable firepower.
• The Handler: At Star Wars Celebration Chicago, when describing his character Grif Cargo, Carl Weathers said that he is the leader of a guild of bounty hunters, and footage shown in the same panel showed that he is in charge of assigning the jobs and making sure that no one monopolies them all.
• Interquel: At Star Wars Celebration Chicago, Favreau revealed that the series starts 5 years after Return of the Jedi, placing it some 25 years before The Force Awakens.
• No Place for a Warrior: At Star Wars Celebration Chicago, while discussing her character, Gina Carano said that Kara Dune used to be a Shock Trooper for the Rebellion, but she is having a hard time reintegrating into society now that the war is over.

Edited by AzureOwl on Apr 14th 2019 at 6:33:39 AM

The Celebration trailer for The Clone Wars had flashbacks from the past seasons, so it's definitely not speculative.

Edited by snivyTsutarja on Apr 14th 2019 at 7:13:16 AM

Reposting from the previous page so it won’t get lost.

For Shin Sakura Wars, I would like to run these examples through this thread before I can add it based off the trailer and press release:

• As Long as There Is Evil: By 1928, the battles in Tokyo, Paris and New York have ended on a high note with the demons defeated and the world was at peace. Unfortunately, it didn’t last very long with the Great Demon War devastating the Flower Divisions in Tokyo, Paris and New York City, and the Imperial Theater falling into disrepair by the time Kamiyama arrived in Tokyo, all in a span of 12 years.
• Distant Sequel: Shin Sakura Wars takes place 12 years after So Long, My Love, by which point the Imperial, Paris and New York Combat Revues have been lost in the Great Demon War, the World Combat Revue War competition has been organized, Sumire has taken Ogami’s place as the combat revue’s commander, and a new Flower Division has been established.

Would those work?

To some, "speculation" means Trailers Always Lie. Tropes need to be specified that they're from the trailer, because said trailer could be talking scenes out of context/using scenes that were cut from the final film.

To paraphrase from Speculative Troping, yes, these are the classic setups for those tropes, but... those tropes haven't happened yet. The work that we are claiming uses these tropes isn't released, so we're obviously not citing the work itself. Saying "At Star Wars Celebration Chicago" is perfect because it lets guests to the wiki know where the trope applies.

Does that mean I can proceed to recreate the page for the show, with the tropes examples written as in my post above?

since we're now noting the source and this seems to solve the intial issue of only one press release and production still: done.

It's also helpful to state the source because once the work is released, you can edit out "In the trailer", "According to the press release", etc. if the trope is still present in the work, and keep it in and/or describe under Never Trust a Trailer, Advertised Extra, if it isn't present.

Thanks!

New Warriors 2018 has been announced for a while but there's no promotional material and the title might change because of the Development Hell...

What If? has been recently announced but still doesn't have promotional material.

For New Warriors; pretty hesitant to do much for a show that doesn't even have a channel, let alone a release date. If those castings and character profiles are indeed official there might be enough but again, extremely bare-bones.

What If; seems like another case of 'these will probably be true once we actually see it, but are clearly page-filler for now'.

For both I think it depends how harsh people want to be; we're relying on bare-bones word of god and press releases, neither having even a trailer. But on the other hand there are parts it would feel very nitpick-y to remove.

The New Warriors page needs to be cut and moved anyway because it wasn't released in 2018.

Is that really a rule? That Sly Cooper movie that was supposed to release in 2016 but never did still has 2016 at the end of it.

Per the Sly Cooper precedent, if a canceled work has a page, year-disambiguation for its intended year of release is still allowed.

This means that the page should remain disambiguated as 2018 until a new release date is confirmed.

An irrelevant question: there is this japanese novel series I'm working on, and only two of its five books have received an English translation. However, I have found through various means spoilers about the third book, but not actual text. Said spoilers are massive. It is alright to add those book 3 examples in the page or should I wait for the God-Knows-When official translated release?

I think the problem more with that is that you can't verify the spoilers are accurate, since (if I'm understanding you correctly) you actually haven't read the third book itself.

Oh, they're accurate. I can verify that much. We are a tiny fandom where everyone knows everyone, and those spoilers come from three different sources that I can think of. No trolls either - one of them occasionally disguises spoilers as shit posts and tells "tiny spoilers for x if you look real closely". Point is, I cross-referenced it.

Oh, by the way, the work is Quantum Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner. I'm pretty much the sole editor right now.

Edited by Lermis on Apr 17th 2019 at 1:51:54 PM

Given that it's verifiably in the work, it can be added.

But if it's not out in English, then I feel like, for this English wiki, it is officially unreleased.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't a question of "do we have to wait for the official translation?" There's no translation, official or otherwise, just some rumors from translators. So that's sort of like Word of God on an unreleased work—the problem isn't that it might be wrong, but that it's an unfair spoiler to people who just want to read the book instead of paying attention to Word of God.

More details on Shin Sakura Wars have just been announced according to this link.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 18th 2019 at 11:03:07 AM

For the purpose of this wiki, out anywhere means it exists and is tropeable. Information travels too quickly for us to do anything else, and I certainly wouldn't want to have to wait for English-language release of every work to add its tropes.

On that note, is Project Sakura Wars a legitimate "English title", considering it's a codename at this point?

It's acknowledged to be a working title; it's not considered an official English title under our translation policy.

At the very least, we should mention that in Trivia.Shin Sakura Wars. Then, when the official English title is released, we can move it there. Make sense?

Edited by gjjones on Apr 18th 2019 at 1:36:29 PM