Duplicate tropes discussion thread

Going to bump my question about Emotions vs. Stoicism and Enthusiasm Versus Stoicism. Same trope or no?

^ They look like the same concept to me.

Is Brutal Bonus Level simply "Bonus Dungeon+Secret Level"?

Two Lines, No Waiting, Three Lines, Some Waiting, and Four Lines, All Waiting all seem like The Same, but More Specific versions of the same concept.

They're all related as they're all talking about narrative structures, but I think they're different enough to warrant separate pages. 2 main plots pursued in an episode or movie, 2 main plots + 1 subplot shown, 4+ plots all given about equal weight shown in a single episode or movie.

If you wanted to group Two Lines, No Waiting and Three Lines, Some Waiting, since the latter explicitly calls itself a variant of the former, I wouldn't be against it, but I think they're fine as is, too.

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 28th 2021 at 12:30:29 PM

Become a Real Boy and Pinocchio Syndrome sound like the exact same concept.

I think Pinocchio Syndrome is about the desire to become human, but not necessarily becoming human in the end, or if they do, it is a slow learning process with a character arc. The story is not really about becoming human, but about a non-human exploring what it means to be human, and to become human. This is also where you'll find some clones, who are artificially created and because of that struggle with their own humanity, and other humans who were not created through "natural" means, like a statue brought to life. That also tells you this trope can come into play after something non-human has been turned human.

Become a Real Boy, on the other hand, just skips all that and just turns the non-human into a human, sometimes with a literal wave of a wand, like with Pinocchio, and usually without any appreciable change in character. These characters (again, like Pinocchio) already feel and act human, they just aren't technically human, until the moment some outside force turns them into an actual human.

Become a Real Boy is about the physical turning into a human, Pinocchio Syndrome is about mentally turning into one.

The description (and especially the Laconic) to Become a Real Boy could use better phrasing to show that it's more an event that happens and not someone's desire, I think.

Good idea, you can take it to this thread.

Pinocchio Syndrome may also be a bit of a misleading name, since Pinocchio isn't at all about him wanting to become a real boy. Instead, the story is about Pinocchio showing that he is morally upstanding so that he deserves to become a real boy. The event is not a goal, it is a reward for Pinocchio. It's Gepetto who wants him to be a real boy, and the fairy godmother who demands an act of morality from Pinocchio before granting Gepetto's(!) wish of having a real boy.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 29th 2021 at 7:10:57 PM

Isn't Release Date Change "Schedule Slip, but more broad"?

No. As the wealth of COVID-related examples can attest, sometimes you just gotta move the release date even you met all the deadlines and the work is 101% done due to factors outside your control. Different phenomenon from missing a self-imposed release schedule.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 4th 2021 at 7:49:54 AM

Yep, and Distanced from Current Events can play a big role too.

What's the difference between Clip Show and Recap Episode? I don't see what one does that other does not.

I guess one can use a Clip Show in ways that aren't a Recap Episode (eg. a "funniest moments" episode) and it is also possible to do a Recap Episode without using clips (eg. "The Ember Island Players" used the characters reacting to a Show Within a Show).

A clip show does not have to recap anything. It can be previous clips from a show according to a theme, or just a "new" story told with clips from old episodes.

A recap can use clips from previous episodes, but always with the goal of summarizing the story so far.

Then Recap Episode shouldn't start with "A type of Clip Show.", yes?

Clip Show may need some description and example cleaning, quite a few of the examples say "full-episode recap" or "summarized by a character".

Those examples are fine, sometimes a long series will spend an entire episode basically recapping the entire show before it. Also, a character from the show narrating the recap is very common.

And recap episodes are almost invariably clip shows, even if they don't last an entire episode. That seems fine to me.

Edited by Redmess on Nov 5th 2021 at 10:40:19 AM

What's the difference between Murder Simulators and Ultra Super Death Gore Fest Chainsawer 3000 then?

Both involve violent video games and Moral Guardians.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 6th 2021 at 12:35:04 PM

Ultra Super Death Gore Fest Chainsawer 3000 isn't actually about Moral Guardians, it's the games that are made with Gore as the appeal. Murder Simulators is what happens when that gets a backlash because people who criticize it have nothing else to say.

It can be a little confusing though, since the former trope is often used by people invoking the latter as an example.

Also if you go through the examples, Murder Simulators is not exclusive to video games and also includes violent movies and books and such.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 6th 2021 at 3:25:30 PM

Is there a difference between Hi, Mom! and Look Ma, I Am on TV!? Both are Stock Phrases and have very similar-sounding examples.

Edited by VTHU243 on Nov 20th 2021 at 12:18:20 PM

Not trying to debate anything here, but I want to ask. How/Why is Mum Looks Like a Sister NOT The Same, but More Specific to Older Than They Look?

^^ They look the same to me as well. And they were created only four months apart.

Edited by eroock on Nov 20th 2021 at 10:28:18 AM

You are referring to me when talking to VTHU. You need two arrows instead of just one.

Edited by JHD on Nov 20th 2021 at 8:15:18 AM