Not Tropeworthy: Late For School

Originally from a ask the tropers thread

The trope's title is way too general to be a trope, leading to a lot of trope decay.

True Shadow 1 came up with splitting this into 3 actual tropes which I agree with

The first one currently monopolizes most of the page and description and is somewhat a Dead Horse Trope that people recommend you to not do if you are writing a manga or fanfiction but people still do it as a spoof or lampshade it.

The second one I think would be better as a more general Chronic Tardiness and not exclusive to just school.

The third one is a common establishing trope used in the first 3 episodes or so to establish a character as well as possibly the setting as they will usually show the area and other characters as the late person passes by.

Pretty much everything else is just not a trope or already covered by other tropes.

Opened. The split idea works.

I can imagine flexing the first trope to allow other things one can be late for, like an interview or a work day.

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Nice idea there.

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

Alternatively, make this In Universe Examples Only.

Considering how the trope(s) plays out, I don't think In Universe Examples Only will do anything.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

how is this played out of universe anyway

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

What does in universe/ out of universe have to do with anything?

on IUEO, as it is completely unnecessary.

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Shouldn't we have a trope for the general idea of a character rushing through places at high speed because they're trying to avoid being late, or at least reduce just how late they're going to be?

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That one almost seems like a separate issue. That might be a Missing Supertrope, but it could probably be hashed out in TLP rather than being related to splitting Late for School.

Unless there's already a bunch of examples in Late for School that already fit that.

edited 22nd Jun '17 10:13:25 AM by WaterBlap

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I downvoted the crowner because while I agree that (habitually late characters) and (encountering an event while/because late) are tropes, I don't think (late with food) is a trope.

I would agree that (so late they do an activity while trying to arrive) is a trope, which would cover shaving, tying shoes, eating, and applying make-up.

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I agree with about [late with food], though I upvoted the crowner anyway since we can always just nuke the TLP for that one.

edited 22nd Jun '17 12:26:27 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

It is an anime trope that started with romance manga in the 80s and 90s. It is something that hit cliche to the point that manga instruction books outright state to not do it because it is too stereotypical.

There are TONS of examples of it as well as lampshades, call outs, spoofs and such. Daily Lives Of High School Boys manages to make fun of it 3 times over the course of 12 episodes.

It very much is a trope.

As a matter of fact its near monopolized the page hence why I brought up this thread.

edited 22nd Jun '17 12:45:09 PM by Memers

Yeah, I think that was the original trope. But over time, only the bread part seems to stick into people's mind. I'm fine with putting the bread examples here.

~Memers is saying just (eating while late) is a trope.

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Reiterating here but

Its not just eating its "running to school with bread ", exclusively bread/toast. Its top on the anime cliches 101.

It is only a Japanese works trope, which ran it into ground with over use, it is a specific classic cliche in Japanese works. As for why its always bread/toast it is a cultural thing as in the 1920s bread was a fad and buttered toast for breakfast was adapted as 'modern' thing which became the standard non-Japanese breakfast item.

It was a Shōjo 80s and 90s stereotype that just grew spreading to damn near every anime with a slice of life and school tint to it, including Sailor Moon and Evangelion, to the point where it became cliche and recommended to NOT do and gets lampooned and lampshaded to no end.

Lampooning to the point where people get mad when you dont bring bread◊ being used as an example of being 'normal'◊ getting outright ran over or discussing about invoking the trope◊.

In stereotypical romance shows it will lead to a Meet Cute Crash-Into Hello into a love interest, usually complete with a mess being made on the guy's uniform, hence why a lot of people attempt to evoke the trope. In Magical Girl it will usually lead to the meeting of the Mentor Mascot.

Actually eating the toast is usually never seen as it usually does not last the trip to school.

Also note that not every anime example is this. The Ranma One Half example on the page is NOT it, it is more of a chronic lateness due to in house fighting.

Am I completely off base here or something? I mean it seems like a trope to me, a big one.

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:29:17 PM by Memers

Sometimes the joke is that it isn't bread. That's not a joke that would even work if it wasn't a stock joke involving bread.

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You've convincingly seen more Japanese shows than I have. It just... feels like there's a joke getting set up, and you're talking about how often the joke gets told; the variants and subversions... but I'm not hearing the punchline. I hear the before and the after, but not the punchline. Probably something Lost in Translation.

Wearing a school uniform is also extremely common, but we've got multiple tropes of the "punchline"/meaning of those uniforms; Sailor Fuku, Transfer Student Uniforms, Catholic Schoolgirls Rule, School Uniforms are the New Black, etc. I'm hearing "character has bread in their mouth is a trope because it gets Played With".

Does my objection make sense, even if we end up agreeing that it is a trope?

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The original punchline was the Meet Cute Crash-Into Hello with their future love interest in Shōjo manga which migrated to Seinen manga in Harem Genre works, something that Daily Lives of Highschool Boys spoofed as well◊.

It went from that to being an element of being cute, 'normal' or stereotypical and intentional invocations attempting to get that legendary Meet Cute and a Crash-Into Hello. Nowadays invoking and spoofing is done way more than legitimate examples.

Slightly off topic, how does one fix Shōjo?

edited 24th Jun '17 1:17:30 PM by Memers

EDIT: Does the next line of this link◊ mention that Meet Cute event?

edited 24th Jun '17 4:16:02 PM by crazysamaritan

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double-post *sigh*

edited 24th Jun '17 4:15:57 PM by crazysamaritan

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No, his internal narration on that was that 'he was a normal person going to a normal school in a normal town'.... before his friends show up with the curry and ramen and Zaku's land and they proceed to transform into Dragon Quest characters to fight them.

Which goes with the more modern take of it being 'normal' and stereotypical to do. Which I brought up earlier.

The gif I linked◊ happened 10 episodes later and specifically happened after he complained 'Is he in a manga or something' after too many cliche things happened to him.

Places like The Daily Dot even reference our page on the subject when attempting to explain the trope

here is said blog btw.

edited 24th Jun '17 5:03:49 PM by Memers

Yeah, I'm still hearing "this happens" and not "this is the meaning" from you.

That doesn't mean it's Not A Trope. I just mean that I don't understand your argument. I'm hearing a variety of inconsistent contexts. *shrug* My lack of understanding means I can't even debate the point.

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It's really a stock joke based on how they showed a character being late, in the "didn't even have time for breakfast" kind of way. The joke then became that if you run late with bread in your mouth, you will end up in a Meet Cute with a love interest, so characters deliberately did that. Now it's more a joke that if someone does that, they're clichéd and behind the times, just because of how old-school it is.

So depending on when the work is from, it can have different meanings.

edited 24th Jun '17 6:19:21 PM by AnotherDuck

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