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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#51: Feb 17th 2017 at 4:46:40 AM

The Hunter is now down to < 600 wicks.

Some other suggestion for the description rewrite: I'd take out Mary-Sue Hunter, which doesn't really seem related (well, unless the Mary Sue in question is literally magical I guess, which usually isn't the case), and add a line about Cape Busters, which is about people who hunt superpowered individuals.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#52: Feb 17th 2017 at 5:07:05 AM

Mary-Sue Hunter is only listed in the "Contrast" section, and listed because it has "hunter" in the name.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#53: Feb 17th 2017 at 5:18:56 AM

I don't think simply having "hunter" in the name is sufficient reason to even mention it, since this trope is specifically not about hunters in general; that's why we took out Nazi Hunter.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#54: Feb 17th 2017 at 5:26:04 AM

I use "Contrast" to mean "despite the similarities, these are not the same". You're right that Nazi Hunter was removed, so I'm going to add it to the "Contrast" section as well.


Contrast with Mary-Sue Hunter (a plot/character trope for killing Mary Sue characters), Occult Detective (an investigator of supernatural mysteries), and Nazi Hunter (the character hunts human "monsters"). For a more exhaustive list of similar hunting-type characters, please see the supertrope; The Hunter.
Relevant paragraph quoted here. Do I really need the "overlaps with" paragraph? I'm starting to feel it's rather tacked on. Creature-Hunter Organization could easily be folded into the above paragraph.

edited 17th Feb '17 5:36:52 AM by crazysamaritan

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#55: Feb 17th 2017 at 6:11:48 AM

Description doesn't seem to be updated. It still lists "non-supernatural hunters".

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#56: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:18:38 AM

We are discussing the phrasing I wrote in post 45. I'm wait for consensus on it before removing the current description.

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#57: Feb 18th 2017 at 8:00:30 PM

  1. 45: You gotta mention Absolute Xenophobe to that list. Otherwise it looks fine.

BTW, does this count?

  • Azure Striker Gunvolt: Copen, a muggle, has dedicated himself to hunt and slay Adepts around the globe due to his belief that they're abominations who will ravage the earth if left unchecked. If one of the drama tracks is to be believed, Adepts really have done so, turning most of the earth into lawless regions. This causes him to clash with the titular Gunvolt, who's among the few heroic Adepts in the world.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#58: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:36:50 AM

I think that's a Mage Killer and Hunter of Monsters.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#59: Feb 19th 2017 at 7:37:57 AM

The Hunter is now down to < 400 wicks.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
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#60: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:55:46 AM

Still many left

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#61: Mar 3rd 2017 at 1:35:59 PM

I'll have a second go at the wicks when I have some time.

As well, the Hunter Archetype TLP needs some actual examples.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#62: Mar 3rd 2017 at 4:12:14 PM

Down to 300 wicks, tossed two examples that weren't Hunter of Monsters onto the draft.

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#63: Mar 14th 2017 at 2:32:14 PM

Hey, I just found Who You Gonna Call?

How would that relate to The Hunter? The page explicitly states "when there are disturbing stuff, there'll be people who hunt them".

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#64: Mar 14th 2017 at 3:09:05 PM

Sometimes they're hunters, sometimes they're detectives. Looks to be a more general trope than Creature-Hunter Organization.

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#65: Mar 14th 2017 at 3:30:50 PM

[up] So it seemed like Who You Gonna Call? is the more general trope that The Hunter used to be...?

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#66: May 8th 2017 at 8:39:18 AM

Late to the party, but I agree with the trope-splitting solution.

@Morgenthaler: I thought the revamp of The Hunter is going to be an exampleless supertrope.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#67: May 24th 2017 at 8:19:02 AM

^ I don't think we ever agreed to that. The proposed options were either for a Super-Trope or Disambiguation page. An explicitly exampleless trope? I don't think that was even on the table.

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#68: May 24th 2017 at 9:24:13 AM

Exampleless supertrope, to be precise. And yes, it was on the table since the beginning; it just seems to have been glossed over, without even a "No, it's not an option" response. [1] [2]

edited 24th May '17 9:25:18 AM by MarqFJA

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#69: Jan 5th 2018 at 10:32:08 AM

I was checking the status of this thread today, and saw there was only 11 remaining wicks (so I took care of them).

The Hunter Archetype is still in TLP.

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#70: Aug 15th 2018 at 11:27:30 PM

~crazysamaritan: What is the status of this?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#71: Aug 16th 2018 at 7:15:53 AM

Two wicks were added for The Hunter, so I got rid of them. ~Morgenthaler is still an active troper, but their draft doesn't seem to have the shepherding I'd expect (no examples added, 10:0 in votes saying to launch as-is).

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#72: Aug 17th 2018 at 5:08:55 PM

We never did decide whether Hunter Archetype was to be an example-less supertrope or not. If we did, the TLP draft is ok. But if not, the TLP has some issues. In my opinion, similar issues to the original trope this was supposed to fix. To quote the original post from this thread.

1. The Hunter as stated by the article: someone who hunts monsters or supernatural beings of some kind for some reason. 2. An archetypal character or culture based around the concept of game-hunting, either for survival as part of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, because of belief in the glory of the hunt or purely for the thrill of it.
As has been pointed out by several commenters on the draft, the current draft muddles these by including tropes such as Bounty Hunter, Vampire Hunter etc. that are clearly the first one.

The hunter is an ancient archetype common in fairy tales and fantasy based on them - the heroic woodsman who lives off the land, whose contact with nature and martial skills makes them perfect to receive the Call to Adventure. Evil Poacher and Great White Hunter are twists on this, the evil Shadow Archetype and the "modern"/19th Century reboot of it respectively. So I think this should be a supertrope, with examples.


The Hunter already redirects to Hunter of Monsters; no reason not to cut it or at least not worry about it.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#73: Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:55:30 PM

Classical Hunter was launched, The Hunter is now a disambig with only 1 wick. This thread can be closed.

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#74: Jun 23rd 2019 at 1:51:07 PM

Okay, will do the honors.

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