Needs Help: Everything Sounds Sexier In French

As per Ask The Tropers, I bring Everything Sounds Sexier in French here for a rename. Its current description can be surmised as 'language stereotypes' — French is sexy, Latin is ominous, etc, etc — and its name is an 'Everything is X-er with Y' snowclone. It has a bad RL section to boot; most of it reads like some troper's idea about something sounding like something else, and I had to prune some natter, Weblinks Are Not Examples and gushing from it already.
I think this trope needs both a rename to something clearer, a clear definition, and possibly a cleanup.

edited 13th Jul '14 1:13:32 PM by desdendelle

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

...yeah, that name doesn't match the definition. If this was a page about how how everything was portrayed as sounding sexier in Frenchthen it would be ok, but the definition is about language stereotypes. Basically, the name implies the page is a suptrope of the definition, which would work very well for a Language Stereotypes page.

I say we transplant the definition to a supertrope about language stereotypes and use this page for when people talk in French to sound sexier(even when it doesn't really make sense to)

Hmm, I obviously have to re-read the definition because I assume it was a trope for foreign languages and accents sounding sexy to people of other nationalities. That's what I've seen around. (And I think I might hve added a couple of those examples.)

EDIT: The natter in RL folder is really bad.

edited 15th Jul '14 7:50:59 AM by XFllo

That description is awful. The examples seem to be "foreign languages sound weird".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

"[The] name doesn't match the definition" is not at all a case to rename. The article could be named Chocolate Chip Cookie Recipe, and if that were not demonstrably causing any problems, there would be no reason to rename it. Need evidence.

(Note that I am not saying a case couldn't be made—"name causes underuse" perhaps—just pointing out that so far it hasn't been made.)

edited 17th Jul '14 2:06:34 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

The problem with the trope's current name is that it's causing misuse a la the old Or Is It (though not at the same scale).

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

Sure. Show us, though, don't tell us. A random sample wick check will support that case a thousand times better than the most eloquently phrased argument.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

Random stuff:

• From Cirqus Voltaire:

This doesn't answer the Exactly What It Says on the Tin definition or the 'language stereotypes' one.

• From Revelation Space:

Ditto.

• From Girls Aloud:

ZCE, only possibly answers the Exactly What It Says on the Tin definition.

• From Moonrise Kingdom:

Post hoc ergo propeter hoc explanation of a kiss? Doesn't answer either of the definitions.

edited 17th Jul '14 2:18:27 PM by desdendelle

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

Good start but need about ten times that many for a meaningful sample. Check out Administrivia.Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Names and maybe some other threads where there is a wick check in the OP. (That format is weird, and 100% of those examples are wrong, I strongly doubt that is a representative sample. The bar for "misuse" is way way lower than 100%, you need not focus on the examples that are wrong, that makes it seem biased.)

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

I see. I'll take a deeper look later, then, RL's going to be a bitch to me in the foreseeable future. (Of course, if someone else wants to do that while I soldier on...)

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

By the way, is there a convention for choosing wicks to check at random? Or do we take the poster's word for it that they chose randomly?

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

The How To page does indicate a random number generator as a way to get a truly random sample.

That said, we do also assume good faith, part of which being that we don't believe that any other sampling method is by default rigged or unreliable.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Random samples, blinding, and other precautions against bias do not assume bad faith, they assume people might inadvertently introduce bias due to some very normal human tendencies.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

I went up and down in ESSiF's related list and chose stuff. Only thing I didn't link to was a trope that had it in its definition (forgot which one).

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

Clock is set.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

Pardon?

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

It means that this thread has 3 days of time to achieve meaningful progress before it's locked.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Ahuh. Well, gotta find examples of misuse then...

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

Well, the examples should be of foreign languages sounding sexy.

I actually do think that French has a special reputation of being sexy, but beyond that it is regarded as sophisticated, Especially in certain contexts, like food.

So, We need both a Super-Trope for the stereotypes associated with the different languages and a Trope for the stereotypes associated with the French language.

Not Unlike Gratuitous Foreign Language and Gratuitous French.

Am I right?

edited 24th Aug '14 7:39:47 AM by Meloman

This was clocked 7 days ago. No one has provided any evidence for misuse yet. Continuing to talk about whether a rename will fix it is not "meaningful progress" in the absence of any evidence that it's broken beyond having a Natter problem.

Locking. No action on the name or definition is to be taken on the basis of this thread. Natter clean-up does not require TRS approval.

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