Disney's Star vs. the Forces of Evil

He's an opportunistic bully,yes.

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You know, with how contentious this show's later seasons were, it's somewhat surprising (and relieving) that any complaining in this site wasn't big enough to bring it to Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.

thats because no one has thought to create a clean up thread,it could be a sign it needs one

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So is there any reason why Ludo wears a diaper? Did he not get potty trained properly? Or does he have a bladder disorder?

Modesty because they didn't want him to wear pants and they wouldn't let him run around naked

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(Popped in the thread out of curiosity.)

I kind of feel like that sandbox is just complaining about complaining, and such efforts are rather misguided.

And kind of weirdly protective of a work's perceived reputation, particularly with the general focus on YMMV pages.

Edited by Grounder on Oct 30th 2023 at 7:08:10 AM

Which sandbox

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/WorksThatRequireCleanupOfComplaining, which is the only one mentioned on this page so far.

Edited by Grounder on Oct 31st 2023 at 7:52:01 AM

Then what's stopping them from simply having Ludo wear underwear then?

there are some questions that dont need answers

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And more probably....rule of funny.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Bad news, the voice of Omnitraxus Prime, Carl Weathers passed away today.

Series creator Daron Nefcy is confirmed to be directing the movie Penny Phantom for Available Light Productions.

• Magical Girl Genre Deconstruction: Star Butterfly, of the dimension Mewni, starts the series as a fun-loving, if irresponsible girl who would rather use her family's Royal Magic Wand to beat up Monsters than to take her royal duties seriously. But as time goes on, it becomes clear that all the Monsters that are supposedly menaces to Mewmans have been the victims of Fantastic Racism for centuries; a far cry from other examples of Monster of the Week. From there, the history of Mewni is shown to be filled with violent war, death (with one of the main antagonists being responsible for assassinating Star's grandmother), cover-ups, propaganda, and corruption. And even as Star makes it her mission to bring Mewmans and Monsters together again, it definitely doesn't happen overnight, as she had hoped.
• DeconstructedCharacterArchetype.Star Vs The Forces Of Evil: Glossaryk deconstructs Omniscient Morality License, Troll and Trickster Mentor. While he is a borderline all-knowing being with extensive knowledge of magic, he rarely shows concern for the physical or emotional well-being of others to the point that even his own allies have a hard time tolerating him. What's more his apathy towards morality means that when Ludo captures him he has no problems teaching him, making the villain a much greater threat, and does nothing to stop Toffee's plans despite being in a prime position to do so, which lead to a Near-Villain Victory. His teaching methods also vary wildly in their effectiveness, since it's hard to tell when he's being serious or just messing with his students to Moon, Star and Ludo's frustration. At the very least, he appears to be completely sincere when teaching Meteora. As well, the second he pulls his usual tricks on someone (Ludo) not inclined to tolerate it and unstable and impulsive enough to retaliate, he winds up dead after pushing Ludo too far.
• DesignatedHero.Star Vs The Forces Of Evil:
  • Star Butterfly may be the hero of the series, but she has a lot of actions that paint her in a much less sympathetic light. She often acts impulsively without thinking about others, is prone to running away from her problems instead of trying to fix them, suffers little to no consequences for her actions, has rather self-centered behavior in regards to dealing with romantic interests like Marco and Tom even after her character development in season 3, and shows a lot of blatant hypocrisy in season 4 by expecting others to trust her, yet doesn't have the decency to trust others, and also by scolding others for exhibiting flaws that she is still shown to have. It gets even worse in the series finale, "Cleaved", where she commits magical genocide and yet suffers virtually no consequences whatsoever.
  • Glossaryk can also be considered this. He's intended to be a neutral character with a sense of mysticism, yet he's never clear with his intentions, and shows no regret/remorse when he shows tough love with those he's helping, showing a very smug snideness. His scenes where he feels unappreciated for his efforts makes him look like an Ungrateful Bastard.
• UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Western Animation:

Glossaryck has also joined the ranks. Initially introduced as Star's tutor, he provided "useless" information to Marco in season one, and speaks in riddles that often confuse Star while teaching her at the same time. After several episodes of him and Star bonding in season two, with her learning complicated spells from him and finding Toffee's finger in the wand, he "switches teams" when Ludo steals his book and is quite cruel when Star tries to rescue him. He confirms to a Toffee-possessed Ludo that he is on no one's side, which puts his "The Reason You Suck" Speech to Queen Moon in "Page Turner" in a darker light, where he claims Omniscient Morality License and several thousand years of experience to justify his teaching methods. Rhombulus has also revealed that Glossaryck has a history of being an Ungrateful Bastard, something that Star has observed as well. And yet in "Page Turner" our sympathies are supposed to be with Glossaryck, whose chain is yanked around during the episode.

• Again in "Book Be Gone": we're meant to be saddened by Glossaryk's death after Ludo threw the spell book into the fire. Except that Glossark brought this entirely on himself because he refused to outright tell Ludo why he was no longer the book's owner and who was now the book's owner (which would mean telling him about Toffee possessing him), showed repeated disinterest and even mocked Ludo for his efforts to get the book to let him write in it, and the only reason there even was a fire for Ludo to throw the book into was because Glossaryk made it in order to roast Pudding Balls.
• He falls into this once again in the very last few moments of "Conquer". At the end of the episode, it's revealed that he was perfectly capable of talking normally all along. So why did he keep saying Globgor over and over as if he Came Back Wrong instead of just saying that he was Eclipsa's monster husband? Just for kicks, once again overcomplicating an issue that didn't need to be.

• Star Butterfly and Marco Diaz after "Booth Buddies". As some fans have started to notice, making the Star/Marco ship canon would require for Tom and Kelly to suffer the same heartbreaking fate of Jackie-Lynn, or become Derailing Love Interests, which would damage their credibility as characters. As a result, some fans have lost sympathy for their love story and started to think that, the way things are now, the only outcome would be Only the Leads Get a Happy Ending, at the cost of the perfectly nice other Love Interests. Star seems to realize this in "Booth Buddies" when, after kissing, she is shocked remembering she is still dating Tom.
  • It gets worse in Season 4. Despite the increasing issues with her relationship with Tom due to her hiding the fact she kissed Marco from him, Star repeatedly refuses to acknowledge her shortcomings and either turns the accusations back on the accuser, or tries to run away from the problem entirely. Outside of Tom, her attempts at maintaining the moral high ground when dealing with Eclipsa often fall flat due to the numerous bouts of hypocrisy she exhibits, primarily in regards to demanding trust from Eclipsa despite offering none herself and scolding her for not caring what her people think of her, even though a part of Star's growth as a princess and future queen had been about becoming her own kind of ruler and doing things her own way while being true to herself and doing what feels right to her even if others don't agree. It's taken to its extreme in "Tavern at the End of the Multiverse". Once Star has decided that magic needs to be destroyed to prevent the completion of Mina's genocide of the monsters, her only concern is the fact that doing so will force Marco back to Earth and make them incapable of seeing each other again. This in spite of the fact that doing so will not only rob all life of magic, not just Mewni, but will also kill everything reliant on magic to live, including Glossaryck, the Firstborn Unicorn, and presumably Hekapoo. Arguably this launches Star straight into Well-Intentioned Extremist or even Knight Templar territory, given that there are hundreds of thousands if not millions or billions of beings made of magic in the multiverse (the Spells, the Magic High Commission, and everything and everyone that lives in the Magic Dimension just for a start) and she'll presumably be killing all of them solely to save one country (her's) in one dimension (her's), a genocide comparable to if not bigger than Mina's. Yet Star's only concern is that she won't get to see Marco ever again.

The former makes me question if it was unintentional for Glossaryk and Star at first as their point was to be flawed.

For Star, was she really DH and UU before the later events as opposed to deliberately flawed? Or is it just the later controversies spilling out unfairly tainting her prior depositions? Or is it legitimate Character Perception Evolution on Star's prior depictions?

So, anyone wonder who made the St. Olga robot that raised Meteora in the first place? Surely a robot did not come out of thin air?

I'm assuming the robot was constructed by someone rich with a lot of connections to the royal family

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