The Scrappy Cleanup

x5 I don't think the Ice King fits. While some fans can be disgusted with a character having leather pants (hell, just about every fandoms have fans express displeasure) its not enough for him to qualify as a Scrappy, unless its the majority of fandom that express hatred of him being a Draco.

I think maybe a good test for vilians is when people refuse to watch episodes they have a major part in. That would help distinguish examples where someone hates a villian just because they're evil, rather than unentertaining.

edited 10th Sep '13 7:08:13 AM by MsCC93

Her lisp is really grating. Fortunately, I don't think she's gotten any lines since Cot C.

I heard Rarity used to be The Scrappy prior to Character Development, since she got her first spotlight episode much later than the others and thus spent a lot of early episodes as pompous comic relief.

Rainbow Dash also seemed to be garnering a small Scrappy status due to Taking A Level In Jerkass in Season Two, though again Character Development subverted it later, to the point her episodes are considered the defining points of Season Three by some (this also rescuing writer Merriweather Williams from The Scrappy Heap.

@storyeller: That's sometimes still hard to distinguish since some also dislike villain appearances due to a Draco in Leather Pants disposition and hating seeing the villain go through what they believe is Disproportionate Retribution (eg. Spongebob Squarepants episodes such as "Plankton's Regular" and "One Coarse Meal" are very unpopular Plankton episodes, but not because of his character).

edited 28th Mar '13 8:24:39 PM by Psi001

Yeah, I heard about all that. Rarity got listed as The Scrappy, and no real reasons were even given as to why that was. I figure if you're going to list a character as this trope, you should try to explain why.

As for Rainbow Dash, I would call what happened to her in season 2 to be a Jerkass Ball, as opposed to Took a Level in Jerkass. At least season 3 made her into a much better character!

I am compelled to bring up the Damsel Scrappy. A number of characters get this, and well, a damsel in distress in the sort of concept that is going to experience Values Dissonance. I mean, I know Princess Peach gets a lot of hate, but I would argue that she treats the whole kidnapping business as a game rather than Serious Business.

I think it was listed on the show's YMMV page that many felt Rarity represented the very traits she was supposed to deconstruct, being prissy, selfish and stuck up. It took till her spotlight episodes till people saw her redeeming aspects fully on display.

Admitedly RD got a very badly timed cluster of Jerkass episodes, not to mention one of them is pretty much considered the show's prime Dethroning Moment Of Suck. "Hurricane Fluttershy" onwards shown they were still being versatile with her though and yeah, many treat her development as one of the best parts of Season Three so probably a similar Rescued from the Scrappy Heap example.

Concerning Spongebob Squarepants examples, Spongebob himself gets a lot of flak for being Flanderized into an exaggerated Idiot Houdini, as does Patrick for the same reason and having Took a Level in Jerkass on top of it. During most discussions I hear of Cat Dog they talk the same way about Dog.

Surprisingly Thomas The Tank Engine has a very vocal fanbase concerning the amount of Scrappy characters, more or less any character created by Hit Entertainment, or even outside The Railway Series gets flak. Even Thomas himself seems to have become one due to spotlight stealing...or so I've heard.

edited 31st Mar '13 10:36:47 AM by Psi001

Looks like this thread stalled for a bit.

Some examples that weren't scrappies were zapped, so the cleanup is going alright..

Wow..this thread is inactive...so does anyone vote to add or cut the following characters??:

Rainbow Dash (My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic)

Jimmy (Ed, Edd n Eddy)

Sasuke(Naruto) - People keep re-adding him.

edited 9th Apr '13 6:33:53 PM by MSCC93

Sasuke is the poster child of a Basebreaker. He has a shit ton of fans, but he also has a massive hatedom. So he doesn't count as the Scrappy.

Rainbow Dash? Not familiar with the fandom, but I do know that she has a lot of fans might want to ask in MIL: FIM thread.

What about Jimmy? Do you vote yay or nay?

Rainbow Dash seems to have gotten popular since Season Three due to heavy Character Development so she's probably a Base Breaker at worst. Most of the bile comes from a cluster of Jerkass episodes in Season Two (particularly one despised episode) after that people were willing to admit she got better.

edited 10th Apr '13 6:53:14 AM by Psi001

I have no idea which way to vote for.

Have you guys seen this thread on Scrappy-Doo? A number of folks are convinced that the hatred of the character is simply overblown. So wouldn't that mean that Scrappy himself is more of a Base Breaker than The Scrappy? If that's the case, then The Scrappy trope might need to get renamed to something else.

I saw that thread, and I don't think this trope is going to be renamed (not with those inbounds). One could argue that Scrappy was a basebreaker and that his hate was overblown but honestly, when your on the internet everything seems overblown. It wouldn't surprise me if half the entries on the scrappy pages are products of Vocal Minorities.

This is an Audience Reaction. Which means that items are de facto (and arguably de jure) matter of the editor's opinion, not of popularity polls.

edited 10th Apr '13 1:25:03 PM by SeptimusHeap

@114 You're supposed to add the character's name and put a dash. For example

Rainbow Dash - Nay

Jimmy - Yay

Itachi - Yay

Are we gonna vote, or not to add or cut these three as Scrappies?? Lets get back on track please. This is a cleanup thread.

Lets add characters that you think need to be Scrappies, added, or cut. Please.

edited 10th Apr '13 1:40:46 PM by MsCC93

I'm not familiar with Jimmy. Never liked Ed Ed and Eddy. Sasuke should be cut, Rainbow Dash should be cut, Itachi...eh he should be cut too. Way too many fans. Base Breaker yeah, but not a scrappy.

Have you guys seen this thread on Scrappy-Doo? A number of folks are convinced that the hatred of the character is simply overblown. So wouldn't that mean that Scrappy himself is more of a Base Breaker than The Scrappy? If that's the case, then The Scrappy trope might need to get renamed to something else.

I don't believe that the Scrappy hate is overblown for a moment. Even Wikipedia (a site that is neutral) aknowledges the negative perception of Scrappy and seeing as even the writers of the Scooby Doo series reacted to that hate by toning down Scrappy's relevance to the show as well as using TakeThats against him.

Lelouch and Suzaku from Code Geass. Are they really truly scrappies? While I have seen a lot of hate thrown Suzaku's way not much for Lelouch.

Scrappy is (or was) loved by the target audience. The hate came later, and more from people in Periphery Demographics / Vocal Minorities. Doesn't mean he doesn't have hatedoms, though. What The Other Wiki states about it isn't relevant in terms of amount of it. Notable, yes, but exactly how much? Can't really measure.

I thought Lelouch was popular...

Only saw very few episodes of Code Geass, and that was a long time ago (like, 2009 I think), so I can't say, because I hardly remember anything from it. Sorry.

Question: Should The examples on this page mention Alas, Poor Scrappy or Rescued from the Scrappy Heap?

From experiences in the Complete Monster Cleanup, we cut all mentions of Karma Houdini (or all Karma) because it doesn't effect what makes a Complete Monster.

Alas and Rescued detail a later development which is in itself subjective (then again this trope is to), and is more relevant to The Scrappy than the Karma tropes are to Complete Monster, however they are different tropes where examples should go.

Good question. It might be overwhelming to have most examples linked to those tropes. I'd say it's redundant.

edited 12th Apr '13 1:30:14 AM by XFllo

I'm thinking of having my own previous examples rechecked because I sometimes think of myself as a very Vocal Minority.

• Rufus and Amberley from The Dreamstone

• Sally and Antoine from Sonic Sat Am (I know Sally is almost certainly more a Base Breaker than anything).

• Porky Pig (depending on whether his example counts more as Creator Backlash than a creative team's Scrappy).

edited 12th Apr '13 6:12:45 AM by Psi001