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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Both these Laconics mention Franchise.Dune:
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Lucas the Dreamer
I think this The Peter Principle laconic is easier to understand than the current.
Edit: Here’s a suggestion for The Legend of Zelda: Oracle Games
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Apr 26th 2023 at 7:49:28 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Officially intimidated
Supporting the suggestion for the latter (I have no familiarity with the former's subject). Definitely better than the current.
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She / Her
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to the Zelda Laconic.
Bumping
a question since it's been buried and I believe enough days have passed.
Lucas the Dreamer
The current Laconic for A Man Is Always Eager overlaps too much with All Men Are Perverts.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on May 5th 2023 at 4:08:25 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
I'm helping!
Laconic.Series Continuity Error:
This looks great, right? Well, uh... according to the main page, "unintentional" is explicitly not a requirement, and this has been the case since 2010.
This seems like a problem to be solved by TRS changing the definition to not be silly, but until that actually happens, should we remove that word?
(And pinging ~Tropers/Ferot_Dreadnaught since they added the word a few months ago on the perfectly logical grounds that "Intentional contradictions/changes are whole other tropes".)
the Retromancer
Maybe the argument that intentional contradictions are Retcon?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Or just Easter eggs...
OR it collected in-universe examples that better fit under the more recent Revealing Continuity Lapse.
Either way, very silly but if it's the definition -shrug-
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I'm helping!
It seems very silly to call something intentional an "error", and this wasn't in the very first version of the page. But as things are, "intentional errors" have been part of the definition for 13 years, so... to TRS with it...
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
From Laconic.Retcon:
So for Series Continuity Error, the issue of "unintentionally" comes down to how/if contradict (Error) is sufficiently different than change (Retcon) to not warrant further distinction.
The difference I see Retcon must serve the story so is an important detail that later material sticks with/follows up, while Error is incidental and ignored, if that helps. Long-term this is a TRS question.
MLM of color
Laconic.Emo is currently:
How's this:
Edited by MegaJ on May 8th 2023 at 3:36:15 AM
I like it.
I've always thought of a difference between a retcon and a continuity error is that in a retcon the change is recognized in-universe explained away in some way, for example the infamous "Vader killed your father", while a Series Continuity Error is just a Plot Hole between installations. I'm not sure whether it should be a strict requirement that it's unintentional, but the description says that it can be intentional. Until a TRS changes it otherwise, the laconic should reflect that. I'd just remove the word "unintentionally" from it and that's all.
I'm helping!
All right, edited. For now.
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Laconic.Roaring Rampage Of Romance doesn't look accurate, given what the trope is. The trope is about a level-headed couple who are forced by circumstance to go to extreme lengths to try and stay together. The trope emphasises this is not a characterisation trope, it's a circumstances trope. The laconic does not make that clear and could encourage the interpretation that this is a Love Makes You Crazy personality trope — something that could happen because the trope does use Love Makes You Crazy as an example of how the trope might manifest when it's in play.
Current laconic:
Suggested replacement:
Laconic.Indirect Kiss seems to be missing part of the trope. The trope is when two people end up touching the same item with their mouths, and the narrative suggests it's effectively like kissing, either because a character contemplates the connection or because the narrative is framing it in an intimate manner.
Current laconic:
Suggested replacement:
Edited by Wyldchyld on May 9th 2023 at 10:45:57 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Lucas the Dreamer
The laconic for Rubber-Band A.I. sounds too much like Dynamic Difficulty. Suggestion-
Officially intimidated
I support the suggestion.
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Any feedback on my post above?
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Officially intimidated
I support the suggested replacements.
Lucas the Dreamer
Almighty Idiot suggestion.
I fix my examples all the time
She / Her
I think it's good to go.
Since it's been buried and I feel enough days have passed, can I get anymore thoughts on my suggestion
on reverting Laconic.Bilingual Bonus?
Edited by RandomTroper123 on May 15th 2023 at 6:50:49 AM
Lucas the Dreamer
The Laconic for Resident Evil 7: Biohazard isn’t very accurate. Here’s a replacement.
The laconic for Big, Stupid Doodoo-Head implies this trope is only for adults while the description and example list includes young characters.
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Ok good idea. I'll change the description of the laconic right now.
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