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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Blapper of Water
I would say that if a description is about to be changed, then the laconic should stay put until after the description is changed.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
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- Maybe change it now, I moved the trope names off, and because alliteration actually isn't chairs, 'cause it's usually done for humor and stuff?
It's like how Teen Pregnancy isn't Chairs, because it's very presence implies... Stuff... Like being edgy or something? ... Unless Teen Pregnancy is chairs...
edited 12th Feb '18 4:41:16 PM by Malady
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The Unknown
A Teen Pregnancy typically impacts the plot of a work somehow (sometimes it is the plot), which is why it isn't chairs.
edited 12th Feb '18 7:39:22 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
- Thank you!
Added Alliterative Appeal's description isn't going to be changed, I just moved all its content to Alliterative Name subpages, 'cause I had since it fit better
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Now I'm trying to align its Laconic with its Description.
Any disagreements?
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Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music
Laconic.Artistic License Film Production is locked, but has the "X does not work that way" meme.
- So, any suggestions? Once we get one we can agree on, we can take it to the Locked Pages thread to add.
Blapper of Water
The others are all pretty much the same:
No objections here. Since its your suggestion, I'll let you decide to advance it or wait.
edited 17th Feb '18 3:51:40 PM by Malady
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Blapper of Water
'Kay.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Main's description says that it's gotta be a main character though. True or False?
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I'm helping!
I wouldn't say main character. I would say they have to be prominent enough that their lack of name is actually noticeable.
Like, the "technology is amazing" guy that appears in every Pokémon game wouldn't qualify. He's such a bit character that giving him a name wouldn't really add anything.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Laconic.Chocolate Baby reads "The child looks nothing like their supposed parents. Uh-oh."
While this certainly carries the implication of the mother cheating (a necessary part of the definition), for the sake of the excessively literal-minded (such as the person who added it to Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes, whose fair hair could be explained a number of others ways), I suggest it be changed for clarity to something like:
"The child is so genetically distinct from his supposed parents as to constitute evidence that his mother cheated."
edited 16th Mar '18 9:28:40 AM by HighCrate
- A bit wordy, but more accurate.
Potentially less loquacious version:
"A child looks so different from his supposed parents that it raises suspicions about his actual parentage."
edited 16th Mar '18 12:38:15 PM by HighCrate
- Well, can't shrink it down much more, so whatever, go ahead.
edited 17th Mar '18 9:18:30 AM by Malady
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Laconic.A Child Shall Lead Them: "A kingdom is ruled by a kid."
Playing With doesn't need a kingdom, and is any child Leader though... Although that might be Young and in Charge.
That Came Out Wrong is reaction to Is That What Theyre Calling It Now, right? The realization of how an innocuous phrase could be misinterpreted...
Laconic.The Dulcinea Effect: "Fighting to the death for someone you just met."
Doesn't there have to be a love component for this?
From "Unintentionally say something wrong."
to: "Realize you unintentionally said something wrong."
From: "It actually isn't what they meant. "
To: It actually isn't what the writer meant.
edited 1st Apr '18 1:39:49 PM by Malady
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Apocalypse Maiden currently reads: "A character brings about The End of the World as We Know It simply by existing." This doesn't actually match the definition, as it's about a character who is 1) innocent, and 2) is destined to bring about The End of the World as We Know It at some point in the relatively near future (that is, within said character's expected lifespan), simply by virtue of their very existence rather than them deliberately seeking out the actualization of the End of the World.
Therefore, I propose changing the Laconic to this: "An innocent character is destined to bring about The End of the World as We Know It just by existing."
edited 21st Mar '18 8:22:18 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
- I'm fine with that? Maybe "Is soon to end the world" or something. Bring "Soon" in there. Maybe with "In her lifetime" or something.
Laconic.Self Destructive Charge:
To:
Laconic.Self Destruct Mechanism:
To:
To:
To:
edited 17th Apr '18 12:48:19 PM by Malady
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Why the need to have "soon" in the formulation? What other possibilities are there in "Character X is destined to end the world" than said world's end happening within their lifetime?
- Good point.
To:
'Cause it sounds like Innocent Innuendo otherwise?
Which itself should go from:
To:
Because Innocent Innuendo is for things people hear.
Five-Token Band is supposed to be a Five-Man Band? Laconic makes no mention of it.
edited 13th May '18 9:49:46 AM by Malady
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According to a post in Ask The Tropers, Laconic.The CW doesn't seem like a good Laconic. I don't have the time to do something with it, though.
- Could just be "A Millennial-focused Television Channel"?
Could that be changed to "A Teen-Focused Television Channel"? Millenials aren't teens anymore, and tv channels target demographics, not particular generations. Plus, gratuitous references to millenials is a bad meme that we should try to avoid here.
edited 27th May '18 9:08:11 AM by naturalironist
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Any objections to changing Laconic.Added Alliterative Appeal, which is currently
Into:
'Cause that's what the description is about. Even though it's chairs.
And 'Cause the contents are gonna change once I figure out where exactly to move them in Alliterative Name, as I describe in ATT.
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