TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

I remember we had a similar trope called "Parvum Opus" that was supposed to be the worst work of a creator, or franchise. I recall it got abused pretty heavily before it was cut. I recall edit wars over which episode was the worst in a series, people listing worst episodes by individual writers or seasons, etc. Unless there's some heavy quality control to limit which episodes can be put up, I feel this is going to cause more trouble in the long one.

I'd like to call a moratorium on TLP'ing any new audience reactions.

This morning I've launched two TLP pre-tropes I've adopted, perhaps prematurely. But these were close to 8 years on TLP.

The tropes are Armor Meter Points and Progressive Instrumentation. They have only one problem, and is with the name (and the former has been suggested to be split onto two separate tropes, one for the meter and one for the points). Problem is, I've already crosswicked them and added them to indexes. :/

... Armor Meter Points really ought to pick either Armor Meter or Armor Points, and whichever name isn't picked would be made into a redirect. Assuming that it's trope-worthy, that is.

... Why is it custom titled "Armor/Meter Points" rather than "Armor Meter/Points"?

^ That's my question, too.

Oh, it was a mistake of mine. My bad. -.-

Edited by AM_NK on Sep 12th 2018 at 9:49:49 AM

The Scrappy Episode draft has 16 bombs / 21 hats, which is enough for a launch. I haven't heard any convincing reason to launch it or why we need it, but it's getting hats regardless.

Arguments for it are "it might not be any worse than The Scrappy" and "it gives people a place to put this Darth Wiki stuff on the main wiki." Seriously.

Not really good arguments, those.

Note that none of the recent hat-givers have said anything and nobody's responded to the valid criticisms other than "it's a complaint magnet." There's a legit concern that the "metrics" listed in the description just make it redundant with tropes we already have.

This was also brought up in the Removing Complaining Thread. There I mentioned that Scrappy Episode is similar to Parvum Opus, which was cut due to becoming a complaint magnet and leading to edit wars. I also mentioned in the comments section on the TLP proposal that if Sccrappy Episode does get launched, it should have a 3 episode limit and should be monitored so it doesn't devolve into excessive complaining.

Was Anachronistic Orphanage launched too early? There wasn't much discussion.

- Title is unclear. It's not common knowledge that orphanages are anachronistic?

Most of the examples on Anachronistic Orphanage amount to "there's an orphanage in this work," so it isn't even well developed.

Wrongfully Attacked Mole was possibly launched too early. The OP seemed in a hurry to get the trope out as soon as possible (despite it being proposed 6 days ago and having only 5 examples) and there seemed to be a disagreement over names in the comments.

edit: OP was also weirdly hostile to War Jay 77 and 4tell0life4 for no reason.

Edited by Clanger00 on Sep 16th 2018 at 5:30:43 PM

I'll unlaunch and investigate.

Update: Placed a hold to enforce a consensus regarding the name, and warned OP.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 16th 2018 at 11:40:55 AM

Yeah, that one was definitely launched fast, I didn't even know it happened.

I'll make a post on here when we come to a consensus about the name and there are enough hats to make a deserved launch.

Scary Squid has been launched despite the discussion in its draft showing that its tropeworthiness is under heavy contention.

Noting that while I personally think that they should've just launched it already, the launcher was someone who hadn't participated at all.

Soooooooooooo Cyber Controller should probably get a tap on the shoulder for that.

I can't find if Possessive Wrist Grab has been mentioned here so I apologise if it has been.

The first paragraph implies it's a gender neutral trope but the rest of the trope description comes across as male-against-female. The image is from a work that isn't recorded anywhere on the page and is a female grabbing the male's wrist, which would suggest gender neutrality.

There are concerns in the YKTTW about the trope description's ability to convey gender neutrality, including a heading in the draft description to flag that it needs to be done. The draft has existed since 2014 and the last comment on how to address the trope description was in 2015, There is one edit from 2017, but only to suggest a new example.

The trope was launched on the 21st August 2018, but not by the creator or any contributor. The launcher also chose the image but, being familiar with the work, I think it's a trope shoehorn and am concerned to see shoehorning/misuse so early in a trope's life.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 21st 2018 at 10:06:18 AM

I'm pretty sure you're the first one to bring this to the thread. Now that I've read what you have to say, the trope page, and the YKTTW archive, I share your concerns.

If I understand Possessive Wrist Grab correctly, it was trying to be "this move is used by creepy potential rapists or yanderes of either gender to pin their intended lover/victim", but perhaps (I have no proof of this) the message was lost in a Signal To Noise Trainwreck because people kept dancing around those words.

I, too, am familiar with RWBY, so I also know the context behind the screencap from that show serving as the current page image, and it's NOWHERE NEAR what my interpretation of Possessive Wrist Grab is. Brother and sister are arguing (about spoilers), and sister's maneuver of grabbing brother's wrist was aggressive but NOT in a creepy incestuous way.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Sep 21st 2018 at 3:43:00 AM

On top of motive issues (she grabs his wrist as he reaches for his drink), it's the opposite of the trope's apparent intention; the wrist grab reveals weakness not dominance — she's baited into an outburst (the wrist grab), her interrogation is met with sarcasm and she's baited into a second outburst (releasing his wrist with a shove, questions unanswered).

That sums up the trope's clarity problem: is it purely about romantic confrontations or is it wider? Does it cover examples where wrist grabbing is aggressive but symbolises weakness or loss of control instead of dominance? In short, as the image is Aggressive Wrist Grab, are Aggressive Wrist Grab and Possessive Wrist Grab two different concepts or a single trope in need of better wording? That's on top of the gender neutrality problem.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 22nd 2018 at 12:10:04 PM

And another one.

Giant Spinning Duct Fan has been launched. However, the YKTTW has clear concerns about whether or not this is a trope at all, as well as ZCE issues with the example suggestions. I've already removed one Deadly Rotary Fan example from the launched trope, so there seems to be a blurring of the line with that trope, which is an issue that was once flagged in the YKTTW and clearly hasn't been fully addressed.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 23rd 2018 at 1:11:35 PM

The TLP remains rather liberal with hatting drafts. Arctic Research Station has seven hats, which is okay at the moment, but 6 of those hats came before there were even an example. Escape Route Surprise has 2 hats with a poor title and spoil-tagged examples despite the draft saying "beware of spoilers". Former Bigot has three hats despite the one-sentence description, though in all fairness I guess those hats could've come during the several year gap between editing (which is still pretty bad).

I still think a prompt to give a reason for a hat or bomb will do so much good to curb this issue, or at least give reason for why people think certain drafts deserve a hat.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 24th 2018 at 2:16:35 PM