TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

I think it has potential but as it currently is it should be sent back for clarification.

It needs to decide whether it's a trope, an Audience Reaction, Fan Speak, or something else before being launched.

My thing is that Queerbaiting does happen, sometimes even in real life. Otherwise, I would have bombed it. The problem is that the subject was handled poorly, the page suffered in turn, and it was prematurely launched before things could truly be settled, which may play a part in ultimately dooming it.

{nods} I do think it's a YMMV thing unless you get someone saying "Yes, we were trying to bring in the gay vote, but we had no intention of following through". Otherwise, you'll get people arguing that Toei teased Goky/Vegeta, or the like.

TroperTales.Man In A Kilt is just a link to a site and this comment by the creator of the page suggests they are advertising the site

It's been cut already.

With Queerbaiting what we do with the name depends on what the page is. If we're defining a fanspeak term as a Useful Notes, then I support keeping the current name. If we're making some index of Bait-and-switch sexuality tropes, then it would need a new name. If we're gathering examples of perceived Queerbaiting, then we just freaking shouldn't.

So yeah. Cut and send back.

Another new launch: Bring the Anchor Along. Trope's definitely there, but the description is pretty barebones (for example, I'd think a mention of Cutting the Knot would be apropos), the examples aren't great (some of them don't seem to fit, like the Simpsons or Samurai Jack examples. Those are where they're supposed to be dragging the weight with them), and the name is really non-indicative. I really thought it was going to be about someone bringing The Load along for a mission they don't need to be there for, but I was way off. It's also a pretty quick launch (two weeks, 5 hats, no discussion about it being ready to launch) so it feels rushed. Better than most ones I bring up here, but still not great.

edited 13th Jun '17 7:43:58 AM by Larkmarn

I feel that Queerbaiting has potential as a Useful Notes page, but it plays out more like a list of bait and switch portrayals of sexuality. On the other hand, since perception factors so heavily into how queerbaiting works, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't think people are about to admit to queerbaiting.

You never know. Especially when people don't see what they're doing as being wrong.

For the sake of reference, since it was several posts ago, the TLP entry for Queerbaiting.

There are indexes of subjective tropes; this really isn't too different.

{nods} Exactly. And subjective tropes are generally marked as being YMMV or something similar.

I stumbled upon this old fanfic page: Skippers Log. Whoever made it tried to use the [index] markup to add it to an index, clearly misunderstanding how it works. It's also barely crosswicked.

Unindexed, barely crosswicked, there's a single example with sufficient context, the description is less than a stub... I cannot believe that multiple tropers have contributed to this page.

I suppose message the creator about the stub, zero context, and Indexing, and if he doesn't fix it, cutlist it.

I've always heard Queerbaiting used in the context of 'deliberately antagonize homosexuals', often to then point to them and claim 'hey, look how awful they are!'

(I need a barf bag.)

Also, I am of the firm belief a trope and a Useful Notes page should not share a name whenever possible. Crosswicking, that UN pages are references while trope pages are about stories, clarity in discussions, and I'll probably think of other reasons later.

So if Queerbaiting is going to have a page about what it is (single or multiple definitions) and a page about how Queerbaiting is used in media, one needs a different name.

RE: Skippers Log: I don't know what messaging people will accomplish. This has 15 inbounds in 4 years on top of the problems it has. I'd say to cut it and send it to TLP to get some meat on its bones. I added Awesome.Skippers Log to the cutlist because it's so barren, it was abandoned, and there's really not a lot of context to the one entry that's on the page.

I don't expect it to fix anything, it's just doing our due diligence.

Hm, thinkety think...

Most useful notes don't have directly corresponding trope pages, but many trope pages are related to and augmented by useful notes pages, like High-Functioning Autism and Hollywood Autism.

This whole saga has actually been informative for me. It seems to me that Queerbaiting entails drawing the LGBT community in with the prospect of a character to whom they can relate, and then retracting it in some way. It's a kind of bait and switch.

If you're talking about vilifying the LGBT community, we have a whole slew of tropes on the subject, and that's not what this is.

Found these two:

In A Nutshell was created over a year ago and has only 2 tropes.

Sahara was created on the 15th and is blank apart from "... needs to be filled".

The differing autism names are a great example of what I mean but UN and trope pages having different names.

I'm just explaining the context I've always heard/read Queerbaiting used in. I'm one person, but I'm also a book worm, so take it as you will.

cut, I say.

this page looks like it was created with underscores in the address bar

edited 18th Jun '17 2:27:03 AM by jormis29

Has to be cut and recreated.

Re. Queerbaiting. The UN page seemed to be the appropriate place, but the main namespace was already being used as a redirect for a trope - so I believed the best way to tackle confusion was to make a disambig there. The analysis page was an attempt to include the calls in ykttw for being able to list examples in a ymmv style to help explain the phenomenon. When I launched it, what I'd said about bombs/hats was true, and discussion had stalled, so I'd assumed that mine and others efforts to edit the draft to solve queries had been approved of (people chime in when they want something to change), and that it was as good a time as any to launch.

Of course, it's evident that some of the efforts were unclear and as the analysis page currently serves no purpose it can easily be cut. Sorry for making the main/ seem like a trope, it was meant as a disambig. Whatever consensus wants, I'll just try to help out.

HERO Superhero Novels

Last edited in 2014. I've tried reaching out to the author of the page, and of the work, through the TV Tropes messaging system and their Facebook group, and to little avail. There's a decent amount of information, but no tropes, and frankly, the series is bad enough that I could only suffer through part of the first book before I gave up on it. Thoughts? It's already on Works Needing Tropes.

- Well, that's a One Word Titles galore, Fun with Acronyms, Superhero, etc.

City of Adventure...

What's so bad about it? ... Meh, Wiki Magic will do it's stuff, if anyone likes it enough.

... So, is there any reason to cut it? It's not like its breaking P5 or anything? If we're not cutting it, I'll just add those tropes and folderize that long book list...

edited 28th Jun '17 8:43:44 AM by Malady

~The Genius Yoshi just launched Denoodled Incident. I'd just cleaned it up (like, an hour ago kind of 'just') so it was in mostly good shape, however the description I had mostly left alone pending discussion as well as waiting on responses from tropers who had been discussing the title and examples in the comments of the draft for 4 years. Then this guy ignores my comment on wanting time and improved description and launches it. The kicker? He's not the original sponsor, who had just returned to the draft today as well, nor has he in any way contributed to the draft or discussion ever.

Asking for it to be returned to YKTTW so that a good nod can be received from all the tropers who have been involved and, Thegeniusyoshi, if you're reading this — that is not a cool move, dude. Don't just go around doing that. Not only does it make all of this process harder, but you also annoy people.

EDIT: Just looked at this guy's edit history: 2 items, one being launching this trope and the other... well, look VideoGame.Marble Blast Platinum. I'm thinking he needs a word.

edited 28th Jun '17 3:47:28 PM by lakingsif