The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

I imagine it was Bleached Underpants to a degree since it was licensed by Crunchyroll.

Having looked at the first 10 chapters, its not porn. Its straight up Horror Genre. Horrible people getting trapped on an island with various giant insects that kill them in various horrible ways including getting eaten alive by maggots, getting their blood sucked out by giant butterflies, chopped in half by pincers and yada.

The sex is mostly to show how horrible the people are and how they face their end.

Its gross as all hell but not porn.

Its on Crunchyroll censored with google turning up a kickstarter to get a dub and uncensoring.

Well, "horror porn" (aka gorn) is also a thing, and I personally consider it just as suitable for cutting under the content policy.

Fair enough. Barbie Doll Anatomy is in full effect and everyone has huge boobs or ripped so much so that age certainly isn't a factor.

I am pretty sure that there is far worse on the wiki atm but... I dont want to look at it anymore... Bleh.

I really don't think "The teenagers are drawn with enormous tits" is a point in the manga's favour

It's a point in the sense of "this is pervy but not pedo-pervy". It wouldn't always work though, "oppai loli" is a genre that exists.

Edited by Adannor on Mar 7th 2021 at 10:04:29 PM

'Oppai loli' uses specific styles meant to make them look young, which we call Puni Plush, but also they have large breasts.

These characters are drawn tall full adults with more lanky facial features, curves and such, there isnt a thing about the characters that looks slightly young. You would need to call Tifa in FFVII an 'Oppai Loli' to call these characters that.

Yeah, I got that about this case. I'm just clarifying for a general statement.

Copying from Ask The Tropers:

So, a work I've been sucked into hard and think would make a great tropes page. There's one thing that's giving me pause.

It's hosted on a site called adultfanfiction.

Now, it's not a pornographic story per se, there are sex scenes and they are described in detail, but no more so than some other mature-themed literature. And given the story's length (147 chapters currently, not sure if that makes it a Long Runner, Door Stopper, or both) they make up a very small percentage of the overall story, with most of them occurring earlier in the work.

I know we tend not to trope actual porn, but some Porn with Plot works are troped on the site. My main concern is if posting a link to the story itself in the trope page would be against the rules, invite unwanted traffic to TvTropes, etc.

I'm also not sure what to categorize it. It's not a fanfiction, as it's not based on any other work or franchise, it's a completely original tale with the author's own original characters, set in a version of our real world (a throwaway line in a recent chapter states the Play Station 5 is out, but no hint of the COVID-19 Pandemic). But I'm also not sure a work hosted on a fanfiction site, even one that allows original works (especially one with "adult" in the name) qualifies for entry in Literature.

The story is called "She Is The One," and centers around Jack Harrison, the protagonist and narrator, the luckiest unlucky smartest idiot ever. We catch up with him the first day of his sophmore year of high school, when he meets newly-arrived literal Girl Next Door Kayla Hannigan. It isn't quite Love at First Sight, but there is a rapid connection between them, and the first several chapters are devoted to them becoming the story's Official Couple. The core of the story is their relationship, especially how love doesn't conquer all. . . Jack and Kayla really do truly love each other, but both have to work hard to keep their relationship going. Especially in the face of high school drama, exceptionally dramatic even by high school standards, including three different incestuous relationships, a gun in a locker, a bona fide evil scheme, one of the most brutal schoolyard brawls ever, and an intramural prostitution ring, among other things. Eventually, the action moves to college as Jack and Kayla attend Iowa State University, where things are a bit less dramatic (up until The Pipe Bomb Incident, at least). Along the way, we meet a cast of colorful characters who drift in and out of Jack's life, including Rhona, the acerbic GameStop employee with constantly changing hair colors, Joe and Brad, Jack's best friends, Craig, his starting high school nemesis and initial rival for Kayla's affections, Jessica the Alpha Bitch, Jack's exuberant running enthusiast cousin Tara, and Jack's twin siblings Alan and Amanda. The cast expands greatly in college as Jack makes friends in and out of ISU's theater department.

Has a Shared Universe with another author's stories, posted on the same site, "Being More Social" and it's companion tale "Only If You Want." They're both shorter and with more sex than "She Is The One," and the crossover is minimal: only one character, I think, appears in both stories (for less than a chapter in "She Is The One," though he's referenced a few more times); references mainly exist as friendly meta jokes and jabs from one fic to the other.

Anyway. . . is this tropable?

• How old are the characters? You mention they're in University so it seems that they're adults.

• Elaborate more on the incestuous relationships? What exactly are they, do they have explicit sex scenes? Incest isn't a disqualified, we trope That's My Boy, but it's something to look at.

• You mention the sex scenes being in it but there not being too many, and the plot doesn't revolve around sex, is that correct?

Last question first: no, the story doesn’t revolve around sex. There's a scene in the first chapter, but they're pretty spotty after that. More common towards the start, but even early on, if memory serves, there are chapters almost or entirely sex-free. It's rare, but the author does sometimes invoke Fade to Black.

On ages: the story starts in Jack's sophomore year of high school, so the characters are all about 16 at the start. I don't think any characters younger than that are confirmed to be active, but I can't be 100% certain from memory (if they are, they'd be fifteen at the youngest). Most of the sex is between Jack and Kayla, though there are a few he witnesses (it's a first-person story). The prostitution ring needs to be brought up: the girls are high schoolers (though explicitly not being coerced), their clients are high schoolers, and it's being run by someone who, if not in high school, is very barely out of it (again, fuzzy on that fine point). It's also portrayed as Not Okay and busted by the cops at the end of that arc. After that, because Kayla's birthday is a few months before Jack's, she turns 18 first and invokes The Jailbait Wait to put a sex embargo on him (though she had other reasons).

On incest: at the start of the story, Jack's siblings Alan and Amanda are sharing a bedroom and having sex (they're the scene in the first chapter). They're a year behind Jack in school but the same age as him. They're fraternal triplets, though Alan and Amanda look more like each other than they do Jack (even Jack is stumped on how that works), and they started school a year late due to childhood illness. They're eventually broken up by Jack's parents. Kayla talks Jack and his cousin Tara into a threesome, and the resulting awkwardness nearly destroys all involved relationships. Finally, Jessica and her brother (who I believe is also the same age as her, don't know how that works either) were supposedly blackmailed with a picture of them having sex during sophomore year, but in senior year it's called into question if that really happened.

I know there are other works with trope pages that address the fact that, despite everyone's best efforts, high school kids still have sex. My main concern when I put this up for Ask The Tropers was if linking to the site the story is posted on would be a problem. I don't know exactly what the "ad issues" entailed, but I wanted to be cautious about links we might not want on this site. Then the issue of high school characters literally became the bigger question, so I'm hoping I can get both resolved.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Sounds legit.

Seems okay.

Are you making a page for it ?

That's my plan. I'll get started probably tomorrow.

~Erik Modi: for the record, it sounds like the story qualifies as a Web Serial Novel, and those do go under literature. subject and quality don't affect how a work is namespaced; just what it is and if and how it's published.

That's a good idea.

And yeah, the work sounds like it's ok to trope.

Awesome, thank you!

So, looking at the reports there's a couple of "shock schlock" type works. Deliberately bad, bizarre, and meant to be disgusting.

The Vagina Ass of Lucifer Niggerbastard, Holey Matrimony, and The Ass Goblins of Auschwitz. The works seem to have a lot of sexual content but aren't meant to be arousing. They mostly deal in vulgarity, shock value, exploitation, and grossout. Vagina-ass does have some interesting tidbits about its publishing history.

If I had my preference, those "shock schlock" works would be banned from the wiki on the general principle that they have no value even from a documentary perspective and should not be encouraged, much like creepypastas and troll fics.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 10th 2021 at 1:45:51 PM

Question: do the P5 team still independently look over the flag list, or do they only get a chance if someone nudges them?

Last time I heard most of the P5 hasn't been active for a very long time, so I assume the latter.

Really, no creepypastas? I know there's a lot of bad, but they're such a major presence on the internet that it'd be odd to consider them worthless from a documentary perspective.

We do go independently, but if you want to bring something up for attention you may do so here.

Edited by DrPsyche on Mar 10th 2021 at 9:52:51 AM

Yes, even those. Look, they may be good for some memes, but as creative works they're like taking a dump on a piece of paper and then selling it on Amazon. Although maybe we're working with different definitions of "creepypasta".

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 10th 2021 at 2:55:42 PM

Eh, the whole There Is No Such Thing as Notability aside, even if they are just memes I feel like they should be troped. Lots of people derive enjoyment from garbage.

In that case: something that has triggered my personal creepy-meter: Literature.We Cant Rewind

• Features a 7 and 9 year old FreakyFridayFlipped into their parents's bodies and getting up to adult things.
• The parents, stuck in the 7 and 9 yo. bodies (Step sibs, not blood) likewise. Amazon reviews call one scene "Detailed." Not clear if this is deliberately played for titillation, but given that there's apparently detail of the Parents activities before the flip, I'd not be surprised.