History Characters / HomestuckGuardians

* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Almost all of them are killed offscreen, except for Bec and Grandpa Harley.

* FriendsRentControl: Downplayed with Dad. Being able to buy a largish two-bedroom suburban house on a single salary isn't ''impossible'', but it's also not especially easy or common.

* FriendsRentControl: Dad. Mom is a genius scientist who can afford specially customed, 20-foot granite statues as a ''joke'', Bro rakes in thousands of dollars a month through his puppet porn and can afford a fancy apartment for him and Dave, and Grandpa Harley is a renowned explorer who bought an entire island. Yet Dad (with an unknown boring job) can still afford a very large house in a neighborhood full of similarly amazing houses.

* OpeningACanOfClones: While the human Guardians die in Act 5, by the time the audience realizes this, the narrative has shifted focus to the post-Scratch universe, where all the Guardians are alive and well as younger versions of themselves, sans Dad, who's counterpart is identical to the original. At the same time that that happened, all the Troll ancestors had the ghosts of their counterpart introduced as recurring characters from the afterlife.

John's father. Well, adoptive father; he's Nanna Egbert's son, and thus John's half-brother. He is very supportive of John, even going so far as to pretend to be a street performer to try to connect with him. He is obsessed with pipes and hats and baked goods.

%%* AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents: John thinks this of him.

* EyelessFace: All the adults so far have been featureless except for one part of their face. Mr. Egbert's one feature is his nose.
* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking: Smokes a Pipe of Patriarchal Authority.
* HiddenDepths: For the first 13 years of his life, John thought that his dad was a perpetually joking, walking farce of a man. He turns out to be a regular business man trying to bond with his son.
* ImprobableWeaponUser: He uses ''cakes'' and ''shaving cream'' and nearly ''everything else.''
* InSpiteOfANail: He seems completely unchanged in the post-scratch universe as Jane's dad, despite the fact that he can't be Nanna's son anymore.
* KitschCollection: He has a ''fanatical'' obsession with harlequins and joker figures, though this was faked out of a sense of desiring to appeal to John.
** Whether or not he likes harlequins, he certainly likes pipes, shaving, and anything else "fatherly." And comedians.

* StandardFiftiesFather: Both a parody and subversion of one. He dotes on his son and is obsessed with stereotypically manly/fatherly things like pipes, shaving, and business-like clothing, but he's also an obsessive baker and a single dad, neither of which are typical for the trope.

** [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/950 He is indeed quite strong]].

%%* BattleCouple: When teaming up with Mom.

* DroppedABridgeOnHim: He got killed by Jack. Offscreen.

* NoodleIncident: And he also has a restraining order from Creator/CirqueDuSoleil, although the reason why has never been fully explained. It was very embarrassing to John, whatever it was.

* OfficialCouple: With Ms. Lalonde.
* PromotionToParent: Biologically he's John's half-brother. It's unclear whether he knew this or just thought John was a random baby that dropped out of the sky and killed Nana is unclear.

* DisneyDeath: After Jane's computer exploded, the fanbase was worried that Dad would die [[CallBack the same way Karkat's lusus did]]. Shortly afterwards, he's seen crushed by the debris of the explosion...[[MadeOfIron but he gets up one panel later]], a little worse for wear but still fine.

* FriendlyEnemy: Despite being the Guardian of one of the Nobles, he is popular with the majority of Derse to the point of copying his clothing style.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: In-universe, his fashion sense has made him a celebrity during his imprisonment. DD may or may not be his biggest fan.

* OutlivingOnesOffspring: Watched his daughter get blown up.
* PrivateDetective: He had a short-lived stint as a private eye.
--> It turns out the police aren't as grateful as you'd think when ordinary citizens go around roughing up a lot of crooks.
** The above quote may or may not be a very subtle FandomNod to [[http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?34044-TROLL!COPS-The-AU a certain highly popular]] [[Fanfic/TrollCops concept among the fandom...]]

* SoleSurvivor: The only Guardian left alive in the end.

* KitschCollection: Like Mr. Egbert, only her house is filled with artwork of wizards rather than [[strike:clowns]] [[InsistentTerminology "harlequins".]] It turns out to be her expressing interests in her daughter's, as well as her own, though Rose interprets it as a passive-aggressive jab at her [[PurpleProse creative writing]].

* SilentSnarker: Her daughter thinks she's this, though her elaborate, unintentionally cruel ways of showing her affection are actually her trying to bond with her daughter.

* AbsurdlySharpBlade: When Bro cuts Dave's incredibly shitty sword in half, he doesn't just cut the sword in half -- he also changes Dave's strife specibus to ½BLADEKIND and ''[[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1070 cuts the record logo on his shirt in half]].'' And this carries over to all other uses of Dave's record sigil thereafter.
** He also manages to [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/1940 cut a fucking meteor in half.]]

* {{Fetish}}: Soft. ''Puppet. '''Ass.'''''
** His Complete Bullshit web browser even has a bookmark for "Puppet Porn" and another one for "Plush Rump" which provides "the plumpest plushiest bare rumps this side of Jim Henson's most sordid fantasies."
* FlashStep: The undisputed ''master''. He uses it mainly to [[GasLighting make Lil' Cal even creepier]]. And in battle, he uses it to basically use Lil' Cal to fight by ''proxy''. And watch out when he actually steps into the ring using this.
** And by "fighting by proxy", we mean ''live-action stop-motion''.

* GivingSomeoneThePointerFinger: He's fond of doing this before duels.

* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Despite Dave admitting that he's grown to see Bro as a sociopath who hated him and tried to make his life miserable (and indeed, he was a truly terrible parent), a few updates imply that he genuinely cared about Dave to some level; for example, him destroying a meteor to prevent it from hitting him and later holding off Jack Noir. It has been suggested by some that his crueler tendencies were amplified by Lil' Cal, and even Dave admits that this is a definite possibility (though he doesn't want to think about it any further).

%%* McNinja
* MasterSwordsman: So much that Jack Noir considers him a WorthyOpponent.

%%* OnlyKnownByTheirNickname

%%* SacrificialLion
%%* SenseiForScoundrels

* WorthyOpponent: To ''Jack Noir'', the destroyer of Prospit. Jack even picks up and returns Bro's sword so they can have a proper duel, though this doesn't stop Jack from leaving mercy at the door.

* AnimalisticAbomination: A rare benevolent example.

* ImmuneToBullets: Instead, he ''plays fetch with them.'' They probably don't do anything to him if they hit anyways and he can warp space to make them dissapear on any case

** OnlyMostlyDead: However, much of his personality and instincts were transferred to Jack and Peregrine Mendicant post-prototyping too. Jade's growling and barking at Jaspersprite after merging with Jadesprite post-God Tier and the fact that Her Imperial Condescension had to use both [[PeoplePuppets Vriska]] and [[TheBeastmaster Tavros']] mind control powers on Jade in order to control her might also suggest that some of Bec's personality was transferred to her too. That being said, however, with Jade, Jack and PM's personalities being dominant, it's very unlikely that Bec will be coming back anytime soon.

* [[OverprotectiveDad Overprotective Wolf]]: Peregrine Mendicant tries to say hi to Jade. [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3010 Bec]] [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3011 does]] [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3012 not]] [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/3013 approve]].

* {{Teleportation}}

* TrademarkFavoriteFood: "You dial up a thick T-BONE STEAK, which you are sure Becquerel is in the mood for because he is in the mood for steak every day and is never in the mood for anything else."
** More specifically, steak that has been ''lightly irradiated''. (He does like his steak rare, after all.)

His [[AlternateUniverse Post-Scratch Universe]] incarnation is [[Characters/HomestuckPostScratchKids Jake English]].

* ChekhovsBoomerang: We've yet to see how he entered the Medium, and it may to come up in some fashion down the line.
** Turns out he found a portal to Derse hidden under the massive lift/platform in the Frog Temple.
* DeadAllAlong: Until it was Jade's turn to do battle with her guardian, the readers were lead to believe he was alive. In reality, she's pretending to fight his ''corpse'', which has been stuffed and preserved via taxidermy like his hunting trophies. He later turns out to be alive in the Medium, having not traveled back in time to live out the rest of his life just yet.

%%* GentlemanAdventurer

* DeadToBeginWith: Turns out they're all long dead, with the exception of Dad.
* FamousAncestor: All of them are pretty famous, though Grandma English ended up disgraced.

* NiceHat: She wears a broad-brimmed pirate hat.

* UnclePennybags: She showers her daughter with ironic, expensive gifts such as ponies, pink things, and massive statues, and it doesn't seem to put a dent in her finances. Taken UpToEleven, when we learn that she ''weaponizes'' this.

* AtomicFBomb: The Vast Expletive uttered by the dying Sufferer, the culmination of his idealism turning to rage under the highbloods' torture.

%%* RapunzelHair

* AdultFear: Watched his daughter get blown up.

* FoeYay: As per all mature Cherubs.[[invoked]]

** It also sort of ''back-fauxshadows'' everything we know about the trolls (see below) especially the Summoner, who was the one who ended up slaying Mindfang, and was possibly the greatest hero trollkind has ever known. It's obvious now that Vriska was honestly trying to get Tavros to ''kill her'', and a large part of her disappointment was that he simply wasn't up to the task yet.

[[folder: [=Post-Scratch=] Kids' Guardians]]

[[folder: [=A2=] Ancestors]]

[[folder: Cherub Parents/Guardians]]

%%* ScaledUp: See the above.
* SmallRoleBigImpact: They are only seen for a few pages, but they're offspring went to become the BigBad and the BigGood of the story.

* BloodyHorror: The Grand Highblood's throne room is ''painted'' with blood from the all across Hemospectrum, missing only his own caste's indigo, the Condesce's tyrian, and the Sufferer's mutant red.

* NotQuiteSavedEnough: She has a few panels of blissful freedom thanks to Andrew Hussie, only to run into Lord English almost immediately.

%%* FingerlessGloves

* MindControl: [=GCat=] [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006773 in the future is]] under the Condesce's control. It's implied that she's been controlling the cat's actions during Roxy and Dirk's time, and it's possible she's also doing it in Jane and Jake's.

* RightHandCat: The Condesce can be seen petting [=GCat=] (while under her control) in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006844 [S] DD: Ascend more casually.]]

* {{Troll}}: He once teleported Jane across town to a paddock in the middle of heavy rain, for absolutely no (known) reason at all. However, in the future [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006773 he's]] under the control of the Condesce, meaning his "Trolling" might well be part of her plans.

* BattleButler: Played with. Despite serving as Equius's butler/guardian, he can't take a punch ... or a gentle pat on the shoulder even. However, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004116 it turns out]] on the next page that Aurthour is a member one of the strongest lusus species on the planet. It's just that Equius is ''really'' strong.

* OlympusMons: It's not really clear if she's an actual Horrorterror or just one of their representatives capable of releasing a [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004364 psychic shockwave]] capable of wiping out every troll in the universe (except for the Condesce and Feferi, who share her blood colour and have a natural PsychicBlockDefense against it).

* AnimeHair: Spinneret and the Disciple. The Grand Highblood takes it to the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005414 logical extreme]]. Her Imperious Condescension takes it to the [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 illogical]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006773 extreme]].

--->CG: [...] AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 "PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT."]]

** Mindfang's face is very faintly shown unshadowed on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008814 this]] page (bottom right).

* FanFiction: WordOfGod is that the sequences involving the Ancestors are meant as a TakeThat against Homestuck fanfic writers. Pretty much all of the ancestors have some Mary Sue traits. It's even referred to as fanfiction on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 this page's]] banner AltText. [[BrickJoke It's somewhat hilarious that when we finally meet the]] [[Characters/HomestuckPreScratchTrolls pre-Scratch Trolls]], several of them are [[{{Flanderization}} based on how the post-Scratch troll players are written in fanfiction]].

* HeroOfAnotherStory: Scratch reveals [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005952 here]] that they were the heroes of the pre-Scratch troll session.

** Hussie (or his stand-in) further complicates matters a little by calling all this information [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 Doc Scratch's "troll fanfiction"]] in the banner altext. On the other hand Scratch is the author of [[DarkerAndEdgier post-scratch Alternia]], and Hussie pretty much hates the guy for taking over his story.

* UsedToBeASweetKid: She used to be such an [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005968 adorable little grub]].

** Pantskat, a meme revolving around a particular OffModel [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005748 drawing of Karkat]], was given a nod with the Sufferer's "[[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 Righteous Leggings]]."

* OrcusOnHisThrone: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005414 He definitely has the visual down]], and seems to be content to sit around and wait for chumps to come to him instead of looking for dudes to slaughter.

* BlingOfWar: He was ''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005408 decked the hell out]]'' back in the day, straight down to a BadassCape easily ten feet long, and it's clear that Eridan tries to emulate this with [[FashionVictimVillain varying levels of success]].

* AscendedMeme: The giant counterpart of Karkat's lusus is called a "gigantic Earth crabdad". "Crabdad" is the FanNickname of Karkat's lusus.

** He keeps [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005298 one whole ton of shaving cream]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005303 and many other things]] in his wallet modus, along with a card for John should he find it.

** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002850 He is indeed quite strong]].
* ThePrankster: Much less so than his mother or son, but John [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001992 observes quite early on]] that Dad usually enjoys the prankster's gambit on their exchanges, so he has the skills, if nothing else. Jane isn't any better at beating him.

** She left her ever present drink behind when she left Rose in the Land of Light and Rain, presumably to take on the huge monster that we see her killing in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003568 >Jack: ASCEND.]]
** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002885 This is what happens]] when Rose discovers that what she previously believed to be her mother's room is, in fact, a bar.

* AbsurdlySharpBlade: When Bro cuts Dave's incredibly shitty sword in half, he doesn't just cut the sword in half -- he also changes Dave's strife specibus to ½BLADEKIND and ''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002970 cuts the record logo on his shirt in half]].'' And this carries over to all other uses of Dave's record sigil thereafter.
** He also manages to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003840 cut a fucking meteor in half.]]

* TheAce: In a WorldOfBadass, Bro Strider comes out on top. He's even more badass than Dave, at least at first. Bro's squared off against [[BigBad Jack]] who had not long ago ''slaughtered'' an entire army in mere moments and [[ColonyDrop destroyed a moon]] (and it took Jack becoming just shy of a god to kill Bro), cut a meteor in half ''while riding it'', and is fast enough to [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004791 fight via puppet proxy.]]

* NearlyNormalAnimal: While he does a few things that hint at the possibility of greater intelligence, like keeping Jade away from meteors and from the ruins, deliberately merging with the kernelsprite, and [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005883 killing the ultimate frog]] (thus allowing its paradox ghost slime to be used), Bec clearly runs mostly on dog instincts, putting him at the lowest end of the SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism.

* [[OverprotectiveDad Overprotective Wolf]]: Peregrine Mendicant tries to say hi to Jade. [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004910 Bec]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004911 does]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004912 not]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004913 approve]].

* TheUnintelligible: When Jade tried to talk to Becsprite after prototyping, she [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004907 quickly found out]] that doing so was a BrownNote and resolved not to try it again.

* DeathByIrony: When he was a baby, he [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003818 accidentally killed]] Colonel Sassacre [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003819 while playing with flintlock pistols]]. The circumstances of his death are [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004953 complicated]], but the key points are that he let Jade play with flintlock pistols, and he was killed by the same bullet she accidentally fired at herself.

* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: For the longest time, it was unclear just ''how'' Grandpa was able to enter the Medium. About two years after his appearance in the Land of Wind and Shade, it's revealed there are [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006954 transportalizers to Derse and Prospit in the Frog Temple]]. It's still unknown when and how he left the Medium, though it could have been through the same way.

** His waving, slightly head-tilted pose in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006045 this photo]] is a reference back to [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005590 this famous panel depicting John]].
** His status as a friend and rival of Harry Anderson, and his taking the ''Series/NightCourt'' role really played by Anderson, references [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002536 John's fondness of Anderson]].

!!Guardians in general are all examples of

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* AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents: John thinks this of him.

* BadassMoustache: Of the handlebar kind, as is appropriate for a... sort-of butler.

The Ancestors are Trolls who lived centuries ago and share a sign with the ones alive now. They are said to act as benevolent guardians if their descendant troll finds out who they are. Trolls with low-ranking blood colors tend to think of this as a fairy tale, but highbloods usually believe in the concept deeply. Not only is this belief true, but Karkat actually created the 12 troll ancestors at the same time he created himself and the other trolls we already know. The Ancestors all lived and died in the past with two exceptions - one who came from the far future, and one who lived to reach that point in the future and went [[Characters/HomestuckTheFeltTwo somewhere else]].

* [[TheCorrupter The Handmaid / The Demoness]]: Aradia's Ancestor

* [[CrystalDragonJesus The Sufferer / The Signless]]: Karkat's Ancestor

* [[TheAtoner E%ecutor Darkleer / The Expatri8]]: Equius's Ancestor

* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Her Imperious Condescension / The Condesce /]] [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Betty Crocker]]: Feferi's Ancestor

* CallBack: Everything, from Gamzee being an elite bloodthirsty killer clown to the dangerous magic cue ball to Karkat being a leader.
** Karkat on the meaning of the Cancer symbol, 100 pages or so prior to the Sufferer's first physical appearance:
-->CG: [...] AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS [[http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005955 "PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT."]]

* FanFiction: WordOfGod is that the sequences involving the Ancestors are meant as a TakeThat against Homestuck fanfic writers. Pretty much all of the ancestors have some Mary Sue traits. It's even referred to as fanfiction on [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 this page's]] banner AltText.
** [[BrickJoke It's somewhat hilarious that when we finally meet the]] [[Characters/HomestuckPreScratchTrolls pre-Scratch Trolls]], several of them are [[{{Flanderization}} based on how the post-Scratch troll players are written in fanfiction]].
* {{Fauxshadow}}: Mindfang's journalog hints at two big fights. The Grand Highblood/Gamzee will kill Orphaner/Eridan, and Mindfang/Vriska will kill Redglare/Terezi. Both are subverted by Kanaya, whose ancestor was Mindfang's nameless sex slave and killed by Orphaner, comes out of nowhere and KO's Gamzee and Vriska and kills Eridan, while Vriska and Terezi do end up in a "battle" of sorts but Terezi kills Vriska rather than vice versa.

** {{Foreshadow}}: Now things are getting weird. The kids are about to cause a scratch which will reset their universe at the cost of their memories, which is what the troll ancestors did. Except the ancestors were the ''players'' in a peaceful version of Alternia and "our" trolls were their ancestors. The problems for "our" trolls started when Karkat's ancestor the Sufferer started remembering what happened.
*** The Ψiioniic died trying to get the Condesce's battleship to Alternia and Sollux dies (again) trying to get the asteroid to the Green Sun.

*** Karkat has been having a pretty shitty day as well.
** Feferi and the Condesce are the most extreme pair, even beyond Tavros and the Summoner: the former is the most compassionate person in the empire and the latter is the most vicious. They're also the only two who could've possibly met at some point.
*** A bit of Fridge Brilliance shows here: Feferi, the nicest and most peaceful troll on Alternia, was the peaceful pre-scratch universe's Empress. Meenah, who immediately showed her JerkAss and was joyfully catatonic after hearing the exploits of the Batterwitch/Condesce, ''is'' the Batterwitch/Condesce.

* HeroicSacrifice: Their Scratch.
* {{The Maker}}s: Of the post-Scratch troll universe. Well, sort of.
* MayDecemberRomance: Mindfang and the Summoner. He hasn't been born yet, and she knows about him thanks to her prized magic cueball.
** And though she doesn't know it, between Mindfang and the Dolorosa, the latter having been alive for hundreds of sweeps - though it's implied Mindfang was around when the Sufferer was executed.

* SpellMyNameWithAThe: 2/3 of them: The Grand Highblood, the Summoner, the Condesce, the Sufferer / the Signless, the Dolorosa, the Ψiioniic / the Helmsman, the Disciple, the Handmaid / the Demoness. The remaining ones actually have names and aren't referred to by titles, though Darkleer is referred to as the E%ecutioner as well.
** NoNameGiven: We know from Doc Scratch's narration that they ''do'' have names, with possible exception to the Handmaid. Based on the Pre-Scratch Trolls (and if patterns shown with John and Jade hold true), Mindfang's name would be Aranea and the Condesce's Meenah.

* VictoryGuidedAmnesia: Revealed [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953 here]]. Well, more like HeroicSacrifice guided amnesia.

* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Pre-Scratch, Damara wanted desperately to serve Lord English and even sabotaged her own session to further his plans. Post-Scratch, The Handmaid got to do just that and did not like it at all.

* TheDragon: Both The Handmaid and then later The Condesce serve Lord English in the role, the former throughout Alternia's post-Scratch history and the later in both versions of Earth and in the post-scratch session.
* DragonLady: Described both as an Asian schoolgirl and death's "super foxy handmaid."

* DrivenToSuicide: She eventually dies willingly, though it remains unknown how long she lived before her encounter with The Condesce.

* {{Tykebomb}}

* TheBeastMaster: His Communion powers give him the ability to control Lusii like Pyralsprite.

%%* MayDecemberRomance: With Mindfang.
%%* WingedHumanoid

!!!The Ψiioniic
* AndIMustScream: Winds up being used as a battery for the Condesce's personal ship, with a lifespan to match her own. It takes the [[BrownNote Vast]] [[MindRape Glub]] to put the poor man out of his misery.
* ComicallyMissingThePoint: In [[Webcomic/ParadoxSpace Suffering Through (And For) The People]], the Ψiionic threatens people for ignoring the Sufferer's words of tolerance and compassion.
* FateWorseThanDeath: For most of the Sufferer's followers. The Ψiioniic has it the worst by far. Not only did he [[PoweredByAForsakenChild become the battery for the Condesce's ship]], but was given an extended lifespan to match the Condesce's (he lived right up until the Vast Glub) -- and this is someone she ''liked''.

* SpellMyNameWithAnS: The Ψiioniic.

** Jegus and Gog, both in-jokes between Terezi and Dave ballooned massively into a huge fandom meme. The Sufferer turning out to be almost literally Troll Jesus has revitalized that and Andrew mentioned it was partially a nod to the meme. %% And that's all the Jegus this page needs >:|

* CrystalDragonJesus: The Sufferer's cult is a big send-up to early Christinaity, with [[PromotionToParent the Dolorosa]] as the Virgin Mary and the Disciple sharing a lot of traits of the Apostles mixed with Mary Magdalene. Unlike many other examples of this trope, the Sufferer's cult never did become a major religion.

* MessianicArchetype: Basically the Troll version of Jesus. Indeed, his descendant, Karkat, is literally referred to as "The Second Coming of the Signless".

* ThePowerOfLove: The Disciple loved the Sufferer and he in turn loved her so much that it superseded the need for the 4 quadrants. Doc dismisses it as being ridiculous though.
* TragicKeepsake: The Sufferer's Righteous Leggings.

* MadeASlave: Implied to be the slave that Mindfang raped.
* MamaBear: After becoming unstuck in canon, John accidentally zaps to a scene of her cradling an infantile Sufferer. She doesn't outright attack him, [[https://www.homestuck.com/story/6180 but her reaction to his sudden appearance]] says it all.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: It's implied she's also a Rainbow-Drinker, with it being part of her blood cast, and her MamaBear moment highlighting certain attributes. John even calls her a vampire when relating the story to Roxy.
* TeamMom: The Dolorosa, the Sufferer's adopted lusus.

* BeastOfBattle: Redglare's dragon lusus, Pyralspite.
* CruelAndUnusualDeath: Redglare was last seen in the middle of an angry mob of mind-controlled lowbloods, who then proceeded to execute her.
* DeathByIrony: Executed by the very same lowbloods she was trying to protect.
* FluffyTamer
* TheMole: Supported the Signless's cult from within the Condesce's empire.

* AnimalNemesis: Wishes to control Pyralsprite after it destroys her fleet of pirates.
* DepravedBisexual: Mindfang mind controls a captive slave girl into making out with her while carrying on a casual conversation with Orphaner Dualscar, at least partially as blackrom flirting.
* LookingForLoveInAllTheWrongPlaces: Mindfang was completely nondiscriminatory, soliciting her ship's slaves while it was too dark to tell their blood color. And yes, she was hoping to find a matesprit among the slaves she seduced (Read: Mind Controlled into loving her). Her final matesprit is the Summoner (Tavros' ancestor), who will love her and eventually kill her.
** She also failed in looking for Hate with Dualscar, whose implied, mismatched redrom feelings for her turned their blackrom from rivalry to enmity and led to the loss of a potential love, an arm, an eye, her lusus, and her fleet.

%%* MayDecemberRomance: With the Summoner.
* MindControl: Mindfang can manipul8 people, and she's a lot more subtle about it than Vriska.

* NiceHat: Spinneret Mindfang. She is a {{pirate}} after all.
* NothingCanStopUsNow: Possesses a magic cue-ball that can answer any question she has about the future. When she hears that Redglare has been sent to capture her, she specifically says in her journal that she was so confident that they would never even meet that she didn't bother asking the cue ball.

* ASinisterClue: Mindfang, the feared pir8 and implied rapist of the Dolorosa, is left-handed. The first thing she writes in her journal after losing her left arm is how she will "have to get used to writing with this hand now."
* StylisticSuck: Mindfang's journal. WordOfGod said it's intentionally in [[http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/18106704483/ok-i-answered-some-more-questions "The Bad Fanfiction Zone"]]. Doc Scratch's story introducing the rest of the Ancestors probably falls under this too, given that Hussie in-story calls it "troll fanfiction".

!!!E%ecutor Darkleer

* TheExile: Was exiled after failing to kill the Disciple

* PowerOfTheVoid: What allows him to hide Mindfang's cue ball.

* AnimeHair: One of most grandiose examples in the canon.
* BloodyHorror: The Grand Highblood's throne room is ''painted'' with blood from the all across Hemospectrum.
* DisproportionateRetribution: If someone fails to tell a good joke for the Grand Highblood, they will be executed.

* HumanSacrifice: Killed Dualscar as a sacrifice in anticipation of the Vast Honk, and is implied to have done so to countless trolls.

* MonsterClown: The leader of the Subjuggulators.
* NotQuiteDead: He is strongly implied to still be alive at the time that ''VisualNovel/HiveswapFriendsim'' takes place, but off-planet like all the other adult trolls. (Chahut's route eventually confirms this.) Since he is a Highblood, he probably didn't die until some time before the events of Homestuck, or maybe not even until the Vast Glub.
* OddNameOut: Only one of the Ancestors who has a nine-letter name instead of an eight-letter name.
* OrcusOnHisThrone: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005414 The Grand Highblood]] definitely has the visual down, and seems to be content to sit around and wait for chumps to come to him instead of looking for dudes to slaughter.
* ReligionOfEvil: A follower of the Mirthful Messiahs.

* BlingOfWar: Orphaner Dualscar was ''[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005408 decked the hell out]]'' back in the day, straight down to an incredible BadassCape that is easily ten feet long, and it's clear now that Eridan tries to emulate this with [[FashionVictimVillain varying levels of success]].
* DirtyCoward: From Mindfang's perspective.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Ambiguous, but Mindfang describes Dualscar as disgusted after she mindcontrolled a fearful slave (Possibly the Dolorosa) into making out with her before calling off their kismesisitude.
* GreenEyedMonster: Orphaner Dualscar was apparently either insecure or possessive enough to get jealous of what his kismesis did in ''entirely different quadrants'' (in human terms: your rival is jealous of your lover, best friend, and union representative). Spinneret seems both amused and annoyed by this.
** Then again, it is very strongly implied that Dualscar may have had some Red Rom feelings for Spinneret. So, in human terms: your rival is secretly in love with you, and is jealous of your lover for that reason. Much more logical. Didn't make Dualscar any less of a Green-Eyed Monster though.
** UnreliableNarrator: We only know about his actions through Mindfang's journal, and she's a very biased source, so his listed motivations may be entirely false.
* UnreliableNarrator: See Green-Eyed Monster.

* OneWingedAngel: Both transform into colossal serpents mid-coitus.
* ScaledUp: See the above.

* FanNickname: [[Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff Hass]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002815 "The Flame"]] Harley.

* FanNickname: "Seahorse Dad" for Eridan's. "Crabdad" for Karkat's and "Spidermom" for Vriska's were both used in-universe.

* FanNickname: Arasia, for back when she first appeared as an Asian-clothed Aradia in Doc Scratch's apartment.

* FanNickname: Dolomom.

* CrystalDragonJesus: The Sufferer. [[PromotionToParent The Dolorosa]] was almost literally the Virgin Mary. The Disciple has a lot of traits of the Apostles mixed with Mary Magdalene.

* FallenHero: What happened to the once-idealistic Sufferer after he was tortured by the highbloods right before he died.

* FreudianExcuse: Possibly, possibly not. Dave at one point wonders if Lil' Cal affected Bro in any way (being a juju containing some of the most messed up characters' souls in it), but it's merely a theory and he makes clear that the abuse he suffered was abuse, regardless. It also seems to be wishful thinking on Dave's part, as he trails off with the daydream of him and Bro having a more-or-less normal life together.

** Keeps [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005298 one whole ton of shaving cream]] [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005303 and many other things]] in his wallet modus, along with a card for John should he find it.

* BattleCouple: When teaming up with Mom.

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: She constantly showers her daughter with affection in ridiculously over-the-top, elaborate ways. Rose interprets this as her being cruelly sarcastic, but whether the displays of affection are actually malicious or genuine has yet to be determined. Later, InUniverse, Rose questions whether she had just misunderstood her all along, and Roxy's loneliness and desire for friends and family provide another counterpoint in favor of that interpretation.
** Also, it's implied that [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} she may have a few screws loose]]; what Jane has said about her post-scratch universe counterpart seems to support this theory. Plus, some of her and Rose's shenanigans imply willing participation in their mind-games, though not necessarily the motive.

* CombatStilettos: Her outfit.

* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Killed offscreen by Jack.

%%* {{McNinja}}

* [[PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy Pretty Fly for a Íæûë€Å Guy]]: Part of his "ironic roof rapping ninja" schtick. Several of his puppets, including Cal are dressed up in urban style. [[note]]The garbled nonsense comes from when AH changed the use of the word "white" to describe him to that word to stop a heated forum argument over the kids' race. It's been changed back since. Hussie's also clarified that when he first wrote the line he hadn't defined Bro's role in the story as Dave and Rose's genetic father, so it wasn't supposed to be indicative of their ethnicity, which he says is canonically "a-racial" aka whatever the reader wants it to be[[/note]]

!!Becquerel / Becsprite

* AnimalJingoism: If God Tier Jade is any indicator, Bec had an instinctual dislike of cats that's carried over in spite of Jade's best efforts to control herself.
** Related to this trope, it's unclear if he blew up PM's terminal to "protect" Jade from being influenced by an exile or due to a similar stereotype of dogs v. mailmen. It could've been both, though.

* PosthumousCharacter: We learned a ''lot'' about Bec after his death, via Jack and now Jade.

* GentlemanAdventurer

* InSpiteOfANail: Despite them all undergoing vastly different lives, they seem to have similar personalities. Poppop and Grandma even have the same first names as their counterparts.
** And some of them ''sorta'' have the same titles, Mom is described as a seer, Bro has apparently been knighted, and Jake's grandmother was a "witch" with manipulating space. Poppop is only loosely associated with his role as an Heir though, being referred to as the Heir of Crockercorp all of once by Dirk.

%% His name is confirmed to be John thanks to his copy of the Colonel Sassacre book - it's why Jane believes Betty Crocker wrote the message to him.

* [[AmbiguouslyEvil Ambiguously Good]]: It's unclear if he had any direct hand in Crockercorp's antics, but he at least took the Crocker name and not Colonel Sassacre's. %% Further discussion at this time is just natter.
** Dirk's interpretation is that he was a nice guy who was just really good at coping with his messed up life, which fits with his pre-scratch self's personality.
* AnimeHair: Just look at the picture.

* PosthumousCharacter: It was speculated that Poppop would become Jane's sprite.
** RedHerring: Unfortunately, he's thrown into the depths of space by [[CatsAreMean GCat]] before she can prototype him.

** InSpiteOfANail: A book by the title of ''Harry Anderson's "Wise Guy"'' still exists, and Jane owns it just as John did, but in the post-scratch universe it's instead a memoir of his days as a private eye after retiring from comedy when he couldn't beat his rival John.
*** [[FridgeBrilliance Of course Anderson couldn't hope to beat Crocker in a prank-off. He is simply the best there is.]]

* BunnyEarsLawyer

* TheExile: After losing to [=BCCorp=].

* [[RenaissanceMan Renaissance Woman]]: A globe-trotting adventuress, former owner of a large corporation, inventor of advanced computer and other technology, etc.
* ShaggyDogStory: Her life basically amounts to this, given that she died alone in exile with her adoptive grandson.
** Though it's perhaps not as shaggy as it seems, given the Condesce killed her personally. The full truth of what Grandma English managed to do is still unknown.

** NeverMessWithGranny: She was well into her fifties by the time she confronted Fieri.
* TheChessmaster: Of the Resistance

* CombatStilettos: Just like B1 Mom.

* {{Foreshadowing}}: Her writing includes amongst other things a chess match where the opponent played on despite losing their King and a AntiHero antagonist of ambiguous gender standing under a caduceus, which is UU's symbol.
** According to WordOfGod, Rose's original wizard fiction was about the trolls. The full, published version involves Calmasis hunting down and killing each wizard one-by-one, with suitably ironic deaths. Each Troll thus far has had [[DeathByIrony an ironic death]].

%% Parental Neglect does not apply; there was no conceivable way for her to have acted as a Mother to Roxy. Their relationship is more complicated than the trope can describe at any rate.
* PassiveAggressiveKombat: Roxy accuses her of this for caching cabinets full of booze she probably never drinks for Roxy to find in the future. Roxy just takes the booze though.
** According to Dirk, Complacency of The Learned was basically a massive TakeThat against the Condesce, making BlackComedy of her race's downfall and near-exctinction. She used her powers as a {{Seers}} to learn of the trolls' death, and wrote the book specifically so that it would catch the Condesce's attention and remind her of her dead race.

* TheBlank: Except for his muzzle and green tongue.
* CatsAreMagic: For a given definition of magic.
* CatsAreMean: Jade was very fond of [[BigFriendlyDog Bec]], calling him her best friend. Jane is... much more ambivalent about [=GCat=].
** Not to mention he indirectly killed Jaspers / Frigglish.
** And left Roxy stranded in the Furthest Ring by cutting off her escape plan from the hungry Dersites.
** And blocked Jane from pre-entry prototyping with Poppop Crocker by ejecting his stuffed corpse into space, also permanently preventing him from being used in post-entry prototyping.
** And transports Roxy to Derse... where she is found by the Condesce.
** Considering GCat is under the Condesce's control at least as early as post-scratch Mom and Bro fight her, and during her stay in the kids' session as well, it might very well be benevolent.

-->Just look at that aloof little bastard. He doesn't give a shit about anything, does he?

* PhysicalGod: Like all the other First Guardians.
* RealityWarper

* ImmortalityHurts: So much, she'd rather die - or kill - than allow it to continue.

* MayDecemberRomance: With Mindfang.
* WingedHumanoid

* AscendedMeme: Jegus and Gog, both in jokes between Terezi and Dave ballooned massively into a huge fandom meme. The Sufferer turning out to be almost literally Troll Jesus has revitalized that and Andrew mentioned it was partially a nod to the meme. %% And that's all the Jegus this page needs >:|

* {{Unperson}}: What the Condesce did to the Sufferer after crushing his revolution. This is probably a good thing for his descendant Karkat, who unknowingly wears the Sufferer's "sym69l" on top of having mutant-red blood.
** Referenced later, when Meenah calls him "what his shit."

* MayDecemberRomance: With the Summoner.

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